Strength increasing ability.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
PR, I'll ADDRESS that when i come back, But i got a question.... WHY are you so DEDIDICATED to defending Supes THAT much? He's a trash character LITERALLY, no amount of excuses can be made THAT much for a character like that my god man

😂 Bro Deltas like that one crazy obsessed ex that comes on one a month to desperately seek your attention, ever since i dismantled that man months ago on a topic he SWORE he knew about he been on a mission lmaooo "LooK AlBeRto I'M bACK! Cmon LOLZ!" Thats the Alberto effect, they ALWAYS come back to prove themselves to me xD

What characters you find interesting is relative. Sure, there are objectively bad characters, but your assertion that Superman is one isn't based on any real fact.

You can hate the guy. You can hate the comics. But that doesn't make them objectively bad.

Not everyone has the same favourite flavour of ice-cream, but that doesn't mean the one you don't like is objectively bad. Unless it's chocolate. **** chocolate ice-cream.

Also, claiming to have "dismantled" people without proof... that's not good.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
and there's ZERO examples of Superman ever having "dynamic strength", BY all MEANS post it, and I'll dismantle all of them

Just because someone subconsciously limits himself doesn't mean he always does it, I subconsciously do not cuss around my mother. Doesn't mean I do not cuss when she isn't around. Or even a word has slipped out before. The world isn't so black and white. It's an ABSOLUTE fact its a myth, go argue with the writers about it 😂

You're trying to argue that two things are mutually exclusive when they're not.

But sure; let's start you off with an easy one. Or at least, it should be if what you're saying is true:

from Superman #152:

Originally posted by -Pr-
Okay, that's fine. So here's my question: Why does the narrator in Man of Tomorrow get given more weight then people like Johns, Loeb, or Morrison, to name three? People that have written either several arcs of Superman stories, singular long runs, or both? Those guys were all quite clear with their view of Superman's powers.

In Man of Tomorrow, we have a writer who is quite possibly a good writer. I don't know. I haven't read their other stuff. What I can see, though, is that they're either ignorant of continuity, or just plain ignoring it. So why should I, or anyone else, put my trust in that guy to set the standard for Superman?

That's the dilemma I have. Being more recent isn't enough of a reason for me. Not when other writers aren't following suit.

Oh right, I see what you're saying. Forgive any misunderstanding on my part, please.

It honestly reminds me of when people used to debate the issue of Superman's speed on the forum. Because he didn't use it enough for people, the argument was that he didn't have it in any reliable way.

And yet, this completely disregarded the fact that against 90% of enemies, Superman just... didn't need to use his speed. Sure, you could make the argument that Superman doesn't use his speed as well as he could, but arguing that he doesn't have it? When not just comics but cartoons, movies, tv shows et al all have him use it as a stock power?

By that same token, multiple "big name" writers have said/implied that Superman, when under sufficient emotional stress, can use new levels of strength he wouldn't otherwise. You can call it super solar absorption. You can call it the Kryptonian equivalent of adrenaline on crack because, as much as some might hate to admit it, Superman, when he has to be, is to people like Zod and Supergirl as Captain America is to like, Hawkeye. And it wasn't just John Byrne that said so either.

Most of Superman's "I finally knocked the big bad out" feats come from a lack of holding back as much as before. Yes. This is true. Not Holding Back and Dynamic Strength just aren't mutually exclusive.

I'll leave it there anyway. Not gonna ramble any more than I have already. I just hope it made sense.

Man, I wish.

that's an interesting question. I guess it comes down to how human society deals with events or cases

Let's say...you have a court ruling. If it's ruled in the court that something is law we honor it. But when its challenged with new evidence and new perspectives...it is re-evaluated and is deem that this is the new law.

Also the guy been with the company for a while.

He maybe playing around with writing here and there but he has help edit over 700 comics in his career

Mostly dc

Also the narrator is less likely to hyperboles what's taking place.

let's say Akira toriyama retires, and another writer comes into the fray. If that new writer says goku can be hurt by specialized knifes no matter how strong he is who are we to say that Akira toriyama supersedes and we are gonna ignore what the new writer is doing with the current goku

I feel that is a cop out. 🤷🏽‍♂️ it's part of the story. It part of the canon unless it's been over written. GT was retconned the moment Super came into play. That's just how it goes

Superman,
Is as strong as he needs to be.
No job is impossible for superman.
Lifted infinity..
Superman has no upper limites and as Alberto has shown holds back like no other. Releasing these holds allows him to get to new levels of strength and powers. Since there are no limits he'll keep getting higher and higher like when he finally jumped off the planet. That's pretty dynamic no? He failed the first few times even with more energy in reserve and then it was time for Up Up And Away Superman. Can't get any more dynamic than that.

Originally posted by darthgoober
No it had nothing to do with Superman himself, but rather my opinion of Diana's speed before those statements. It wasn't that I'd lose my mind if Supes pulled off the feat himself, it was that I didn't consider anything that impressive as being remotely valid UNLESS they were right up there in DC's top echelon of speed. And she didn't have to be faster than Supes to be in that echelon, simply outright acknowledging that she was as fast would have been enough(and I prob would have settled for ALMOST as fast as Supes if it were driven home repeatedly).

Yeah, that's not what you said. It was that "I can't accept this feat as genuine because Superman was faster than her".

Don't worry, Superman is still far faster than Silver Surfer in pretty much every way.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
and there's ZERO examples of Superman ever having "dynamic strength", BY all MEANS post it, and I'll dismantle all of them

Just because someone subconsciously limits himself doesn't mean he always does it, I subconsciously do not cuss around my mother. Doesn't mean I do not cuss when she isn't around. Or even a word has slipped out before. The world isn't so black and white. It's an ABSOLUTE fact its a myth, go argue with the writers about it 😂

Even DOS has Superman showing dynamic strength and its novelization straight up says it.

There are far too many such examples.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, that's not what you said. It was that "I can't accept this feat as genuine because Superman was faster than her".

Don't worry, Superman is still far faster than Silver Surfer in pretty much every way.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Hey Elsa, let it go. The bald man with the surfboard who touched you can't hurt you anymore and despite the visual similarities wasn't really the fictional character you've channeled your rage towards so you don't have to walk around feeling so triggered by his continued existence in the medium of comic books.

Everyone gets triggered, right? I gave loads of examples in this thread of characters who can alter their strength levels.

Only one poster mentioned Superman.

And now, look at where we are. Even you jumped in.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Everyone gets triggered, right? I gave loads of examples in this thread of characters who can alter their strength levels.

Only one poster mentioned Superman.

And now, look at where we are. Even you jumped in.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Not really. Pr was handling himself just fine when started my tangent with him, I wouldn't say he was triggered in the slightest.

Oh, true, so Pr wasn't triggered, but you were.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Hey Elsa, let it go. The bald man with the surfboard who touched you can't hurt you anymore and despite the visual similarities wasn't really the fictional character you've channeled your rage towards so you don't have to walk around feeling so triggered by his continued existence in the medium of comic books.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oh, true, so Pr wasn't triggered, but you were.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Again, not really. I had a point, I made my point, we talked a bit, and everything ended cool. No one was attacked or besmirched and nothing that was said was inspired by negative feelings or led to the inspiration of negative feelings from either of us. It's just old friends talking man.

Oh yeah.

I know the occasions where you mix with us are few and far between, and you'd much rather stay in the shadows, PMing scans so others can be your catspaw and make your arguments for you.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oh yeah.

I know the occasions where you mix with us are few and far between, and you'd much rather stay in the shadows, PMing scans so others can be your catspaw and make your arguments for you.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Sometimes, sure lol. Is there something about that you find inherently offensive?

Oh, I'm not triggered, so no. Am pointing out an observation. Do you not like it being talked about? The sometimes unsolicited PMs dropping in various members' inboxes when you could just as easily post yourself?

Or do you like the feeling of power when you attempt to pull on strings?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oh, I'm not triggered, so no. Am pointing out an observation. Do you not like it being talked about? The sometimes unsolicited PMs dropping in various members' inboxes when you could just as easily post yourself?

Or do you like the feeling of power when you attempt to pull on strings?

Originally posted by darthgoober
I don't mind it a bit. It's not really a secret, I've acknowledged it publicly at least a couple of times now I believe and I tell pretty much everyone I PM about it. The topic wasn't the source of my confusion, it was your response. Good or bad, I think you might be the only person who's demonstrated having any specific opinion at all about me PMing people with scans and points to help support their arguments as well as undermine the arguments of their opponents... I legitimately don't understand why anyone would even think about such a thing. Just seems like worrying about who the neighbor's f*cking

Really? Ok.

It's mildly interesting to me, that's all. You obviously spend time here,and effort (this conversation is proof enough). You not minding a bit means.... you understand why I am interested. Just as you don't mind it a bit, yet don't understand my behaviour, goes both ways.

I don't mind your PMs a bit, I still don't understand it. Hence, interesting.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Really? Ok.

It's mildly interesting to me, that's all. You obviously spend time here,and effort (this conversation is proof enough). You not minding a bit means.... you understand why I am interested. Just as you don't mind it a bit, yet don't understand my behaviour, goes both ways.

I don't mind your PMs a bit, I still don't understand it. Hence, interesting.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Like seriously, if you don't want me to send you shit on the dl that's cool with me, I'm not offended if you prefer to stand on your own two feet. I was never trying to make you feel like a catspaw or anything like that.

Oh I'm not, as I keep saying....

Like I said, I just find it mildly interesting. As you said, you sometimes like the feeling of power when you send PMs for others. I'm just interested in why you feel that.

Saint Goober is triggered when someone dares to ask him questions? Color me shocked.