What DC villain that's viewed as a big deal would be just another Tuesday in Marvel?

Originally posted by -Pr-
I'm not sure if you're cereals or trolling.

But sure, if you take away everything about the Joker that makes him special, a decent Marvel street would have no problem taking him down.

I really think he hasn't. Or, as before, he might just be trolling.

I read Batman. Joker is just a lame convoluted threat they keep throwing up to give Batman an opposite because DC is afraid to pull the trigger on the worn out character plain and simple. They had that corny still unresolved 3 jokers storyline that they haven't solidly finished as an excuse for joker's various performances

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I read Batman. Joker is just a lame convoluted threat they keep throwing up to give Batman an opposite because DC is afraid to pull the trigger on the worn out character plain and simple. They had that corny still unresolved 3 jokers storyline that they haven't solidly finished as an excuse for joker's various performances

I'm beginning to think you just think that hating something means it's objectively crap.

The Three Jokers book is actually not far off being finished, as of the last update. Who knows, it might be shit.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
😂 post some scans

Frank is militarily trained. Has more durability, agility, strength, and speed than The Joker. He'd simply overwhelm him and put a bullet in his head ot end it.

What MAs has he beaten or managed to stalemate

Originally posted by -Pr-
I'm beginning to think you just think that hating something means it's objectively crap.

The Three Jokers book is actually not far off being finished, as of the last update. Who knows, it might be shit.

the book might end up being good, who knows. That doesn't stop the concept itself from being corny. Forced complication is always corny to me. That shit is like adding tomato slices to grilled cheese or raisins in potato salad. Joker as a chaotic killer clown is fine enough. He shouldn't have ever been the arch nemesis though, Hugo strange, bane, or Ra's Al ghul should more rightfully fill that role.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
But how though? I see this post alot where people say Frank would come to Gotham and clean house...sure he'd wreck alot of low level guys. Hed probably take out the mob, five families etc..but against or the Court of Owls, etc...hes out of his league. And none of these guys want to screw with Joker. I mean he outprepped Lex, Sinestro, Grodd etc on his Lexs own turf to prove a point. He's more than just some crazed clown. People forget that. Punisher is awesome but he rarely goes after the big names. When he can take down Bullseye, a similarly psycho who operates in Franks own backyard, then id concede.

I have no idea about the h2h I just agree that Frank will try and kill him

Originally posted by Sin I AM
But how though? I see this post alot where people say Frank would come to Gotham and clean house...sure he'd wreck alot of low level guys. Hed probably take out the mob, five families etc..but against or the Court of Owls, etc...hes out of his league. And none of these guys want to screw with Joker. I mean he outprepped Lex, Sinestro, Grodd etc on his Lexs own turf to prove a point. He's more than just some crazed clown. People forget that. Punisher is awesome but he rarely goes after the big names. When he can take down Bullseye, a similarly psycho who operates in Franks own backyard, then id concede.

Difference between Batman and Frank
Is Frank is coming in killing. The court of owls would have been less of an issue if Batman came in hitting them with grenades and high velocity weapons from the jump. People don't mess with joker because he's a nut, Frank is also a nut in the other direction. As far as joker " outprepping" all the others you named it's all plot based bullshit. There's not one person on that list that couldn't EASILY tear joker in half at the drop of a hat.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Difference between Batman and Frank
Is Frank is coming in killing. The court of owls would have been less of an issue if Batman came in hitting them with grenades and high velocity weapons from the jump. People don't mess with joker because he's a nut, Frank is also a nut in the other direction. As far as joker " outprepping" all the others you named it's all plot based bullshit. There's not one person on that list that couldn't EASILY tear joker in half at the drop of a hat.

Ahh i see. You're a low-baller. Nevermind then ttyl

To be fair @alberto you could use that "worn out villian" on Thanos, Darkseid,Zod,Apocalypse,Doom, any universal threat, doomsday, evil Superman clone, juggernaut etc. Etc. Not just joker

Punisher doesn’t have to kill Joker, a lot of Marvel streets would. Deadpool would probably kill him for the lulz, Black Panther would kill him, and sleep like a baby that night. Same with a lot of others, Marvel streets seem to be more willing to kill, as a whole.

joker outprep them all

Love how people forget that Gotham villains are perfectly willing to kill. And are capable of hiring other villains who are willing to kill (Deathstroke etc).

As if killing is some mythical no go area DC won't do.....

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
the book might end up being good, who knows. That doesn't stop the concept itself from being corny. Forced complication is always corny to me. That shit is like adding tomato slices to grilled cheese or raisins in potato salad. Joker as a chaotic killer clown is fine enough. He shouldn't have ever been the arch nemesis though, Hugo strange, bane, or Ra's Al ghul should more rightfully fill that role.

They don't represent Batman's dark reflection nearly as much as the Joker does, though. There's a reason he's a persistently recurring villain (even at the times when he shouldn't be).

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Love how people forget that Gotham villains are perfectly willing to kill. And are capable of hiring other villains who are willing to kill (Deathstroke etc).

As if killing is some mythical no go area DC won't do.....

Hell, people still act like the League doesn't kill, when people like Batman and Superman are largely the exception, not the rule.

Originally posted by -Pr-
They don't represent Batman's dark reflection nearly as much as the Joker does, though. There's a reason he's a persistently recurring villain (even at the times when he shouldn't be).

Hell, people still act like the League doesn't kill, when people like Batman and Superman are largely the exception, not the rule.

Except Joker isn't a reflection of Batman in the slightest bit. DC keeps him around because they have a serious issue with holding on to old characters even in the face of success without them. When they made Dick Grayson Batman the book was just fine without Bruce or the joker in the story, better even. DC keeps adding shock value to joker to keep him relevant because he nothing but a serial killing clown with a some plot based toxin toxin as a backup plan.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Except Joker isn't a reflection of Batman in the slightest bit. DC keeps him around because they have a serious issue with holding on to old characters even in the face of success without them. When they made Dick Grayson Batman the book was just fine without Bruce or the joker in the story, better even. DC keeps adding shock value to joker to keep him relevant because he nothing but a serial killing clown with a some plot based toxin toxin as a backup plan.

You either really, really hate The Joker, are trolling, or are showing me levels of ignorance I didn't know existed when it comes to comics.

And I talk to Stilt.

DC villains are much scarier than Marvel villains.
Remember the Freedom Fighters?

Originally posted by krisblaze
DC villains are much scarier than Marvel villains.
Remember the Freedom Fighters?

Not sure I agree. Fear is fear, so they do it in equal measure. Imagine Carnage creeping around trying to kill you? Anyway, my first thought on the OP was that Frank would just shoot him in the face. No h2h, no dialogue queue for an argument, just pow you're effing dead.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Plus, Frank will just become the next Joker.

Well I think
1. Damage: hype and then nothing. He’d just be another clone of Abomination or Hulk. Useless in marvel
2. Imperiex: he was only scary because of plot
3. World Forger. I think plenty of heroes in marvel would change his mind. Ie Spiderman, Captain America..etc

Originally posted by -Pr-
You either really, really hate The Joker, are trolling, or are showing me levels of ignorance I didn't know existed when it comes to comics.

And I talk to Stilt.

joker isn't isn't a reflection of Batman in the slightest bit, that's not an opinion.
As far as joker just being a serial killing clown with a toxin as a backup plan? What more is he?
What's his power set?
What's his real purpose beside he's crazy?
I've been reading comics since 1987 my dude, there's nothing about joker that is all that special beside the nostalgic factor of them force feeding him as Batman's arch nemesis.

If we assume Joker just gets thrown into MU without his resources, connections or world knowledge then of course he would be in trouble.

But allow him to have all of the above to the extent he has those in DCU then he would give Frank (and most other MU streets) the Jason Todd treatment.