What DC villain that's viewed as a big deal would be just another Tuesday in Marvel?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Marvel has villains like hyperstorm, anti-man, maelstrom, king Hyperion, annihilus, Ultron, etc in comparison. The notion that DC has all around more powerful heroes and villains is some WAY overblown shit that shows bias and in your case here trolling if you actually read both companies.

Aside from large crossovers the DC teams seem to face far more powerful villains. Amazed anyone would argue this.

At any rate I said "scarier" villains. Villains that accomplish and get away with more.
Like my example, Freedom Fighters.
When's the last time a marvel hero team was wiped out?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
They've been constantly one upping each other for years, it's damn near an impossibility at this point for you not to find a comparable villain between the companies.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Hyperstorm, Maelstrom and Anti-man don't exactly make regular appearances....

They are rare as f*ck, yes.

What this thread has... "evolved"... into now?

Haven't checked it in a while. Anything I missed?

It's funny how Alberto became our sole source of entertainment.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Hyperstorm, Maelstrom and Anti-man don't exactly make regular appearances....

Aside from large crossovers the DC teams seem to face far more powerful villains. Amazed anyone would argue this.

At any rate I said "scarier" villains. Villains that accomplish and get away with more.
Like my example, Freedom Fighters.
When's the last time a marvel hero team was wiped out?

Marvel earth does not have nearly as powerful villain as DC earth.
The cosmology more or less evens out, but that's because they all go "max power" more or less.

Heroes failing to stop something shows failure not that the villains are greater. Thanos wiped out everything 2-3 times. Matthew Malloy was well on his way to do it. Molecule man casually did it and put everything back. Legion inadvertently did it. Mikaboshi did it. The beyonders did it. The beyonder did it. Ultron did it twice. Red skull did it once.
DC is not more powerful than marvel. They just have more events where the heroes fail in order to add to stagnant storytelling.

So what you're saying is Marvel heroes keep failing....

Both are, DC just keeps failing to the point where they need full reboots and universe mergers.

You just said DC had more events where the heroes fail...

Then listed tons of Marvel failings lol.

He asked for villains that wiped out teams and I named them. DC has more events where their entire continuity had to be rebooted because of base failure from the heroes. That's only happened once in marvel.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Heroes failing to stop something shows failure not that the villains are greater. Thanos wiped out everything 2-3 times. Matthew Malloy was well on his way to do it. Molecule man casually did it and put everything back. Legion inadvertently did it. Mikaboshi did it. The beyonders did it. The beyonder did it. Ultron did it twice. Red skull did it once.
DC is not more powerful than marvel. They just have more events where the heroes fail in order to add to stagnant storytelling.

It doesn't seem to be sinking in, I'll try a different approach 🙂

A cosmic villain isn't scary, because whatever they do will happen out in space and have no consequence on a person's life. Someone wiping out existence isn't scary on an individual level, that's why I omitted cosmology. No one has heard of Hyperstorm or Maelstrom, any more than they've heard of the Anti-Monitor or Mandrakk.

Legion and Malloy might be villains on earth, but they're completely unknown and not really recurring in the sense that they show up in the public eye. Carnage, Bullseye and The Green Goblin were better examples of scary villains.

But not even they have the claim to fame that someone like Superboy Prime or the Society. I can't think of any Marvel villains that accomplish as much evil on earth as their DC counterparts, and on the topic of power I certainly can't think of a Marvel version of the Secret Society of Super Villains. At one point they had Black Adam, Sinestro, Bizarro, Zoom, Dr.Light, Amazo and Psycho Pirate. On one team...

Black Adam killed everyone in Bialya. That's like....wmd levels. Sure, it's no God Doom, but this was a guy you could watch Inthe news, who was part of the JSA.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
😆 😂 HAHA you USED ALAN MOORE out all people too, YIKES. All I was trying to say was there's no real reason why the joker, a complete normie in the comparable sense is able to survive beyond the fact that nobody is actively trying to kill him. If they were he'd be dead. DC as a company hangs on to the character just because he's the most recognizable villain to their most successful character. Beyond that he just overhyped beyond his station. I feel the same way about Norman Osborn in marvel, they gave him a platform to be the baddest villain in marvel for a bit when he's was consistently getting his ass handed to him by basically a kid for years.

You shouldn't be so transparent in your trolling. Subtlety would be good.

If by some small miracle you aren't trolling? I would suggest finding a book about how comics are written. There are tons out there. I particularly recommend the ones by Stan Lee and Peter David.

Originally posted by krisblaze
DC villains are much scarier than Marvel villains.
Remember the Freedom Fighters?

Great pick. That wasn't just a killing. It was a brutal murder. The kind you don't see very often performed against remotely established characters.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Black Adam killed everyone in Bialya. That's like....wmd levels. Sure, it's no God Doom, but this was a guy you could watch Inthe news, who was part of the JSA.

That’s the only comparable instance I can think of from Marvel.

dc villains are so insane they have to reboot the universe every few decades

Originally posted by krisblaze
It doesn't seem to be sinking in, I'll try a different approach 🙂

A cosmic villain isn't scary, because whatever they do will happen out in space and have no consequence on a person's life. Someone wiping out existence isn't scary on an individual level, that's why I omitted cosmology. No one has heard of Hyperstorm or Maelstrom, any more than they've heard of the Anti-Monitor or Mandrakk.

Legion and Malloy might be villains on earth, but they're completely unknown and not really recurring in the sense that they show up in the public eye. Carnage, Bullseye and The Green Goblin were better examples of scary villains.

But not even they have the claim to fame that someone like Superboy Prime or the Society. I can't think of any Marvel villains that accomplish as much evil on earth as their DC counterparts, and on the topic of power I certainly can't think of a Marvel version of the Secret Society of Super Villains. At one point they had Black Adam, Sinestro, Bizarro, Zoom, Dr.Light, Amazo and Psycho Pirate. On one team...

you're over explaining my point while at the same time trying to twist it to whatever idea you are rolling with.

Originally posted by Smurph
Cassandra Nova killed 16 million when she slaughtered Genosha.

That’s the only comparable instance I can think of from Marvel.

@Smurph, good point.
The Mutant Massacre also comes to mind.
It comes as no suprise to anyone that the x-men stories are the superior ones.

Another noteworthy mention is MJJ.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
you're over explaining my point while at the same time trying to twist it to whatever idea you are rolling with.

Sorry if it feels like I'm moving the goalpost here.
I'm simply elaborating on why I find DC villains to be more frightening.

Originally posted by krisblaze
It doesn't seem to be sinking in, I'll try a different approach 🙂

A cosmic villain isn't scary, because whatever they do will happen out in space and have no consequence on a person's life. Someone wiping out existence isn't scary on an individual level, that's why I omitted cosmology. No one has heard of Hyperstorm or Maelstrom, any more than they've heard of the Anti-Monitor or Mandrakk.

Legion and Malloy might be villains on earth, but they're completely unknown and not really recurring in the sense that they show up in the public eye. Carnage, Bullseye and The Green Goblin were better examples of scary villains.

But not even they have the claim to fame that someone like Superboy Prime or the Society. I can't think of any Marvel villains that accomplish as much evil on earth as their DC counterparts, and on the topic of power I certainly can't think of a Marvel version of the Secret Society of Super Villains. At one point they had Black Adam, Sinestro, Bizarro, Zoom, Dr.Light, Amazo and Psycho Pirate. On one team...

True enough. I'm still not sure about the more powerful aspect of your breakdown. More plentiful is a better word. The Void is pretty scary too, but I get where you're going.

Originally posted by krisblaze
@Smurph, good point.
The Mutant Massacre also comes to mind.
It comes as no suprise to anyone that the x-men stories are the superior ones.

Another noteworthy mention is MJJ.

Sorry if it feels like I'm moving the goalpost here.
I'm simply elaborating on why I find DC villains to be more frightening.

It's all good bro, but on Earth most of Marvel villains are genocidal despots. Their higher purpose is extermination of someone

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
It's all good bro, but on Earth most of Marvel villains are genocidal despots. Their higher purpose is extermination of someone

Yeah, that's probably why the x-men get the worst of it.

Let's not forget no more mutants or the literal modern day concentration camps in Neverland.