What DC villain that's viewed as a big deal would be just another Tuesday in Marvel?

Originally posted by Magnon
If we assume Joker just gets thrown into MU without his resources, connections or world knowledge then of course he would be in trouble.

But allow him to have all of the above to the extent he has those in DCU then he would give Frank (and most other MU streets) the Jason Todd treatment.

He went undercover and was 'normal' enough that Batman of all people couldn't recognise him, even though they frequently interacted (over an entire year):

https://imgur.com/a/Upmqj

And Joker Venom isn't that hard for him to make:

Originally posted by Stoic
Not sure I agree. Fear is fear, so they do it in equal measure. Imagine Carnage creeping around trying to kill you? Anyway, my first thought on the OP was that Frank would just shoot him in the face. No h2h, no dialogue queue for an argument, just pow you're effing dead.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Carnage?
Try Black Adam or Sinestro...

Marvel has Carnage, Green Goblin, Bullseye, AND Knull whos pretty scary while dc villains are more witty

doh!

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He went undercover and was 'normal' enough that Batman of all people couldn't recognise him, even though they frequently interacted (over an entire year):

And Joker Venom isn't that hard for him to make:

No one. Play in in reverse, a nobody in dc like riddler would own the streets in marvel with no Batman to stop him.

Originally posted by Diesldude
No one. Play in in reverse, a nobody in dc like riddler would own the streets in marvel with no Batman to stop him.

Prove it

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
joker isn't isn't a reflection of Batman in the slightest bit, that's not an opinion.
As far as joker just being a serial killing clown with a toxin as a backup plan? What more is he?
What's his power set?
What's his real purpose beside he's crazy?
I've been reading comics since 1987 my dude, there's nothing about joker that is all that special beside the nostalgic factor of them force feeding him as Batman's arch nemesis.

Yes it is. One that's hard to argue given the mountain of evidence to the contrary.
I told you.
Is power set necessary to be a good villain?
His purpose? Anarchy? Destruction? To be Batman's opposite in so many ways?

Funny, I've been reading comics since the late 80s too. And in that time, if I've learned anything, it's that opinions and facts aren't the same thing.

Honestly, I think you just don't like DC. That's the impression I'm getting.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
joker isn't isn't a reflection of Batman in the slightest bit, that's not an opinion.
As far as joker just being a serial killing clown with a toxin as a backup plan? What more is he?
What's his power set?
What's his real purpose beside he's crazy?
I've been reading comics since 1987 my dude, there's nothing about joker that is all that special beside the nostalgic factor of them force feeding him as Batman's arch nemesis.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Yes it is. One that's hard to argue given the mountain of evidence to the contrary.
I told you.
Is power set necessary to be a good villain?
His purpose? Anarchy? Destruction? To be Batman's opposite in so many ways?

Funny, I've been reading comics since the late 80s too. And in that time, if I've learned anything, it's that opinions and facts aren't the same thing.

Honestly, I think you just don't like DC. That's the impression I'm getting.

Yeah no it isn't, you're wrong, period. joker isn't a reflection of Batman, Joker is a chaos for chaos sake murderous anarchist nutbag. Batman is a wealthy highly intelligent man of order. If anything Ra's Al ghul is his mirror or at least what he could become if corrupted.
Power set is necessary in the context of why he would be trivial in marvel. What's to stop him from getting shot in the head by Punisher? He doesn't have a healing factor or invulnerability so it he could easily get murked.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Yeah no it isn't, you're wrong, period. joker isn't a reflection of Batman, Joker is a chaos for chaos sake murderous anarchist nutbag. Batman is a wealthy highly intelligent man of order. If anything Ra's Al ghul is his mirror or at least what he could become if corrupted.
Power set is necessary in the context of why he would be trivial in marvel. What's to stop him from getting shot in the head by Punisher? He doesn't have a healing factor or invulnerability so it he could easily get murked.

I'll take the word of Alan Moore and Denny O'Neil over yours if you don't mind.

"What's to stop him getting shot in the head by Punisher?" if I'm being honest, is a dumb ****ing question. And you really should know better.

How many villains (or heroes, even) in comics could easily be taken out by a sniper five blocks away on a water tower with a rifle? Tons. You know why it doesn't happen? Because comics. Because characters that are important to plots don't just needlessly die. Because sometimes you have to sacrifice common sense to tell a good story. Because vs threads don't really work if we make characters do what we'd do in their place.

Imagine going in to a thread about Punisher vs one of the X-Men, and using the same argument. Or someone from the Justice League. Or any superhero team where someone has better stats.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Marvel has Carnage, Green Goblin, Bullseye, AND Knull whos pretty scary while dc villains are more witty

That being said, the DC villains seem to accomplish far more. Superboy Prime, Black Adam, Sinestro, Mongul, Hank Henshaw and so on. Marvel have few villains that compare to these...Just the stuff Joker alone has accomplished seems to beat anything Marvel villains has done.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Marvel has Carnage, Green Goblin, Bullseye, AND Knull whos pretty scary while dc villains are more witty

Originally posted by -Pr-
I'll take the word of Alan Moore and Denny O'Neil over yours if you don't mind.

"What's to stop him getting shot in the head by Punisher?" if I'm being honest, is a dumb ****ing question. And you really should know better.

How many villains (or heroes, even) in comics could easily be taken out by a sniper five blocks away on a water tower with a rifle? Tons. You know why it doesn't happen? Because comics. Because characters that are important to plots don't just needlessly die. Because sometimes you have to sacrifice common sense to tell a good story. Because vs threads don't really work if we make characters do what we'd do in their place.

Imagine going in to a thread about Punisher vs one of the X-Men, and using the same argument. Or someone from the Justice League. Or any superhero team where someone has better stats.

LMAO like comic characters stay dead in the first place anyway. Joker has even been executed before...

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
LMAO like comic characters stay dead in the first place anyway. Joker has even been executed before...

Also a good point. Especially with there being three of the ****ers.

Whats to stop any human characters from getting shot?
Like Hawkeye, Bullseye, Fury, Elektra, etc?

Is it skill?

Because Joker is skilled enough to go against the Bat-family. He's taken all of them down at one time or another, including sometimes all in the same story. Including Red Hood, who will put a bullet in someone too.

We've seen him go blow for blow for Dick, Bruce, and even Casandra Cain in hand to hand. We've seen him effortlessly take down rooms full of officers, special forces, League of Shadows ninjas and regular thug henchmen on various occasions like a plague of death walking through, and laughing about it.

He's taken over the city several times, created his own red skied Crisis event on Earth and even took over reality once.

He's one of the most dangerous human characters in comics. His resume speaks for itself.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Bullseye is the only one of them who has any worthwhile scary moments in Dark Avengers. I'd say Venom generally comes off as more frightening than Carnage, who's mostly played for laughs. I suppose you could add Sabretooth as wel. Him and Bullseye seem to get away with a lot.

That being said, the DC villains seem to accomplish far more. Superboy Prime, Black Adam, Sinestro, Mongul, Hank Henshaw and so on. Marvel have few villains that compare to these...Just the stuff Joker alone has accomplished seems to beat anything Marvel villains has done.

Also, how far up your ass did you have to crawl to come up with this?

Marvel has villains like hyperstorm, anti-man, maelstrom, king Hyperion, annihilus, Ultron, etc in comparison. The notion that DC has all around more powerful heroes and villains is some WAY overblown shit that shows bias and in your case here trolling if you actually read both companies.

They've been constantly one upping each other for years, it's damn near an impossibility at this point for you not to find a comparable villain between the companies.

Tbf, what's stopping Joker from just shooting Punisher in the face?

Originally posted by Juntai
Whats to stop any human characters from getting shot?
Like Hawkeye, Bullseye, Fury, Elektra, etc?

Is it skill?

Because Joker is skilled enough to go against the Bat-family. He's taken all of them down at one time or another, including sometimes all in the same story. Including Red Hood, who will put a bullet in someone too.

We've seen him go blow for blow for Dick, Bruce, and even Casandra Cain in hand to hand. We've seen him effortlessly take down rooms full of officers, special forces, League of Shadows ninjas and regular thug henchmen on various occasions like a plague of death walking through, and laughing about it.

He's taken over the city several times, created his own red skied Crisis event on Earth and even took over reality once.

He's one of the most dangerous human characters in comics. His resume speaks for itself.

Joker can't really hang with Batman, they just have to let him get a good hit in every now and then to keep him a compelling villain. Joker should have died off when Hugo strange was introduced.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I'll take the word of Alan Moore and Denny O'Neil over yours if you don't mind.

"What's to stop him getting shot in the head by Punisher?" if I'm being honest, is a dumb ****ing question. And you really should know better.

How many villains (or heroes, even) in comics could easily be taken out by a sniper five blocks away on a water tower with a rifle? Tons. You know why it doesn't happen? Because comics. Because characters that are important to plots don't just needlessly die. Because sometimes you have to sacrifice common sense to tell a good story. Because vs threads don't really work if we make characters do what we'd do in their place.

Imagine going in to a thread about Punisher vs one of the X-Men, and using the same argument. Or someone from the Justice League. Or any superhero team where someone has better stats.

😆 😂 HAHA you USED ALAN MOORE out all people too, YIKES. All I was trying to say was there's no real reason why the joker, a complete normie in the comparable sense is able to survive beyond the fact that nobody is actively trying to kill him. If they were he'd be dead. DC as a company hangs on to the character just because he's the most recognizable villain to their most successful character. Beyond that he just overhyped beyond his station. I feel the same way about Norman Osborn in marvel, they gave him a platform to be the baddest villain in marvel for a bit when he's was consistently getting his ass handed to him by basically a kid for years.

Originally posted by Juntai
Whats to stop any human characters from getting shot?
Like Hawkeye, Bullseye, Fury, Elektra, etc?

Is it skill?

Because Joker is skilled enough to go against the Bat-family. He's taken all of them down at one time or another, including sometimes all in the same story. Including Red Hood, who will put a bullet in someone too.

We've seen him go blow for blow for Dick, Bruce, and even Casandra Cain in hand to hand. We've seen him effortlessly take down rooms full of officers, special forces, League of Shadows ninjas and regular thug henchmen on various occasions like a plague of death walking through, and laughing about it.

He's taken over the city several times, created his own red skied Crisis event on Earth and even took over reality once.

He's one of the most dangerous human characters in comics. His resume speaks for itself.

ALSO,
All those characters have been killed or at least badly crippled before. The also are all highly trained to the point we're they can throw small objects at bullets to intercept them.
Joker has NEVER been as skilled as the batfamily in the slightest bit. They are all human and not immune to getting caught off guard. He's unpredictable and the advantage of being unpredictable against highly trained fighter is they never know where your hits are coming from. Plot saved him from red hood.
He's not dangerous at all just company protected. period

The fact that Joker has beaten the Bat Fam on multiple occasions is an indictment against them than a argument for Joker level of skill.