Originally posted by h1a8The writer gave no context in the WWH fight or the Blue Marvel fight as to why Sentry was able to be koed. Therefore, you are making shit up.
I never said he was KOed, because he was weakened. I said he was KOed, because at that point he didn't have his fight against the Molecule Man, where he realized what he was truly capable of. Show me Sentry getting KOed since then. You can't. Because it didn't happen again... even when he ripped his own head off and even when he got his brains smashed in. If that can't KO you, then nothing can.
You have yet to provide a different take on everything or offer another side of the story. You've done nothing besides making dumb statements from the beginning and not being able to back them off. "Well, the writer must have" is not an argument. I'm done replying to you for good.
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXXthere's a difference between how sentry is written vs. how powerful his "fans" try to make him be.
Great, another time and energy vampire... Exactly what the KMC boards needed.
Sentry defeats the Void:
"Well yes, but actually no, because you see, the Sentry and the Void are two sides of the same coin and not two separate physical beings, so when the Sentry defeats the Void it's really more mental than physical, so it doesn't really count and besides that the Void can warp reality and the Sentry can't so it's even a bigger giveaway that Sentry never really defeated the Void on his own."
Sentry defeats the Molecule Man:
"Hehe yeah, one could easily be fooled by that, but you do need to realize that the Molecule Man was actually very depowered since we never saw him warping the entire multiverse during the fight and besides that he wanted to lose and besides that Sentry had access to his Void reality warping powers and even further besides that it was PIS."
Sentry mirrors the combined powers of over 100 heroes:
"You know, I've been lifting weights for 20 years now and in weight lifting there is something called a "spotter", which is basically when you do all the work and lift 95% of the weight and the spotter can take care of the 5% weight and allow you to make one more rep and besides that Sentry was empowered out of his mind by the Death Seed and the facts that the other Horsemen didn't receive the power boost and that the Death Seed doesn't give a person more power, but unlocks their very own potential are just editorial errors."
Sentry rips reality apart with his bare hands, tears two realities apart upon exploding and easily beats the living crap out of Beta Ray Bill, Nova and every other herald and their mother:
"Hahahahahahaha, these Sentry stans, bro, with their lies and made up stories, where the Sentry isn't some Schmo, who almost gets killed by Helicarriers."
Originally posted by Enzeru
Great, another time and energy vampire... Exactly what the KMC boards needed.[B]Sentry defeats the Void:
"Well yes, but actually no, because you see, the Sentry and the Void are two sides of the same coin and not two separate physical beings, so when the Sentry defeats the Void it's really more mental than physical, so it doesn't really count and besides that the Void can warp reality and the Sentry can't so it's even a bigger giveaway that Sentry never really defeated the Void on his own."
Sentry defeats the Molecule Man:
"Hehe yeah, one could easily be fooled by that, but you do need to realize that the Molecule Man was actually very depowered since we never saw him warping the entire multiverse during the fight and besides that he wanted to lose and besides that Sentry had access to his Void reality warping powers and even further besides that it was PIS."
Sentry mirrors the combined powers of over 100 heroes:
"You know, I've been lifting weights for 20 years now and in weight lifting there is something called a "spotter", which is basically when you do all the work and lift 95% of the weight and the spotter can take care of the 5% weight and allow you to make one more rep and besides that Sentry was empowered out of his mind by the Death Seed and the facts that the other Horsemen didn't receive the power boost and that the Death Seed doesn't give a person more power, but unlocks their very own potential are just editorial errors."
Sentry rips reality apart with his bare hands, tears two realities apart upon exploding and easily beats the living crap out of Beta Ray Bill, Nova and every other herald and their mother:
"Hahahahahahaha, these Sentry stans, bro, with their lies and made up stories, where the Sentry isn't some Schmo, who almost gets killed by Helicarriers." [/B]
Originally posted by abhilegend
But it doesn't amps everyone the same way. Like Weapon X with death seed punked Phoenix Force Jean Grey.So unless you have the idea about how much Sentry was amped, shut up.
Oh and Sentry wasn't weakened in WWH. That's just fanfiction, cobbled together with random tidbits from different comics.
Originally posted by abhilegend
But no, Death Seed doesn't amps anyone, it just allowed Jean Grey to stalemate Monsters who killed Tiamut.They killed Tiamut here.
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Age-of-Apocalypse-2012/Issue-14?id=12247
And Jean stalemated two of them here.
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Astonishing-X-Men-2004/Issue-61?id=10346
Mind you, this was a human Jean Grey.
Originally posted by abhilegend
"“If you want to take down Thor, resurrecting the Sentry and planting a Death Seed in him to make him even more powerful is a pretty good way to do that."http://www.cbr.com/exclusive-remenders-uncanny-avengers-face-the-apocalypse/
So no, it's not just his own power.
You've been punked on it before idiot, why try to lie again?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Death Seed does give characters more power. Rick Remender outright said so and we have seen a human Jean Grey with the death seed going toe to toe with celestial killers. Wolverine with death seed outright no sold Phoenix Force and oneshotted her.You've been punked on it before idiot, why try to lie again?
Post the part where it says that the Sentry is a solidified figment or concept of Robert's imagination. Post the part of him dying... Wait, can he die? No it can't die, it's a concept. Understand what the Sentry is Abhi. It can't be KO'd if Bob doesn't allow it to be. There are several citations that support this fact. In the past, Robert did not know the full extent of his powers. In versus matches we don't use the characters at their weakest to build points against them, we use them at their best. It's like using Hal Jordan without a ring and two broken legs vs Quick Silver.
The Plutonium has no way of beating the Sentry if Robert Reynolds knows the full extent of his powers. This is not fan wank, it's what the Sentry is.
Originally posted by Enzeru
I never said he was KOed, because he was weakened. I said he was KOed, because at that point he didn't have his fight against the Molecule Man, where he realized what he was truly capable of. Show me Sentry getting KOed since then. You can't. Because it didn't happen again... even when he ripped his own head off and even when he got his brains smashed in. If that can't KO you, then nothing can.You have yet to provide a different take on everything or offer another side of the story. You've done nothing besides making dumb statements from the beginning and not being able to back them off. "Well, the writer must have" is not an argument. I'm done replying to you for good.
Writer's intentions are everything.
But if your argument is NOW Sentry got an upgrade from the MM fight and he was never shown to be koed again AND we use the latest versions then good.
You are now debating. What took you so long?
Question : Can you post a scan of Sentry getting his brains smashed in without losing consciousness? Did that happen after the MM incident?
Originally posted by abhilegendWolverine with death seed outright no sold Phoenix Force and oneshotted her.
I think out of all the dummy-dumm-dumms on this site you're by far my favorite one. I've been making a fool out of you for years now and you still haven't learned your lesson. On the opposite, every time you read my name your insecurities kick in, you decide to give it a new shot and you end up failing again.
I love how you always leave out context in hopes people, who lack knowledge will not know what's up and side with you. Unfortunately that's not how proper debating works.
https://i.imgur.com/K12VPFc.jpg
Wolverine had become the new Apocalypse of that reality and rocked the Apocalypse armor. You know, the armor, which was built by the Celestials and even further amplifies a characters power and especially their durability? So let's not pretend that the Death Seed alone meant a vast power increase for Wolverine. There is a difference between the power up from the Death Seed and when you become the next Apocalypse.
Look at Daken with the Death Seed and without the Apocalypse ascension, all written by the same writer:
https://i.imgur.com/0OOIpx7.jpg
Does that guy strike you as someone, who could defeat the Phoenix just like that? Eh.
And besides all of that, no one here is denying that the Death Seed doesn't amp the users powers. My point is, that it unlocks the mind of its user and allows them to tap into their full potential:
https://i.imgur.com/aB2Hp1l.jpg
So yes, Death Seed Sentry is more powerful than a regular Sentry, but still only because he uses all of the power the Sentry himself would have at his disposal, if he used 100% of it. And that speaks volumes for the Sentry.
Same with Jean Grey. It's almost as if an omega level mutant with the Death Seed and with the Apocalypse Armor becomes an insanely powerful character ?_? Yet you try to make it sound as if the Death Seed alone would do the same to any mutant ever (like for example you tried getting it through with Wolverine, while leaving out the Apocalypse armor part).
Also, since you like writers statements on topics so much:
Rick Remender on the Apocalypse Armor:Question:
So, the armor is almost Apocalypse's symbol of the authority bestowed upon him by the Celestials?Answer:
I planned out the armor that Phil designed and Evan wears. The armors aren't like, "Hey here's some armor." These are Celestial-made armors that enhance and give whoever is Apocalypse a lot of power. You'll be seeing that armor in some flashbacks maybe during Egyptian times. That armor is going to play a historical role as well. The Brotherhood unearthed it and brought it in to give to Evan. It was a young Apocalypse's armor.Before him, there were Neanderthal versions of these evolutionary caretakers. I don't have a word for them. Jerome Opena and I designed a Celestial symbol for them because that seemed cooler. I call them evolutionary caretakers. Every species has one and every new emerging species has one. Basically, the Celestials come down and go, "Hey you. Here's this armor and some super powers. Make sure nothing bad happens."
Nice owning you, bro.
Originally posted by h1a8Question : Can you post a scan of Sentry getting his brains smashed in without losing consciousness? Did that happen after the MM incident?
Well, I mean, the Sentry was regenerating from a single atom over and over again and was conscious throughout the entire process, just like the first time, when he burnt down to a skeleton and still heard the Void talking to him.
Prior to that and after the Molecule Man fight his wife shot through his head and it looked like he was dead, but he was still listening to her talk and theorize about him.
But yeah, sure, getting his brains smushed in also didn't stop him:
https://i.imgur.com/RgDEIHd.jpg
Originally posted by Stoic
Post the part where it says that the Sentry is a solidified figment or concept of Robert's imagination. Post the part of him dying... Wait, can he die? No it can't die, it's a concept. Understand what the Sentry is Abhi. It can't be KO'd if Bob doesn't allow it to be. There are several citations that support this fact. In the past, Robert did not know the full extent of his powers. In versus matches we don't use the characters at their weakest to build points against them, we use them at their best. It's like using Hal Jordan without a ring and two broken legs vs Quick Silver.The Plutonium has no way of beating the Sentry if Robert Reynolds knows the full extent of his powers. This is not fan wank, it's what the Sentry is.
Originally posted by Enzeru
[B]I think out of all the dummy-dumm-dumms on this site you're by far my favorite one. I've been making a fool out of you for years now and you still haven't learned your lesson. On the opposite, every time you read my name your insecurities kick in, you decide to give it a new shot and you end up failing again.I love how you always leave out context in hopes people, who lack knowledge will not know what's up and side with you. Unfortunately that's not how proper debating works.
Hey idiot, that's for Evanocalypse in 616 reality.
https://www.cbr.com/remender-and-noto-are-final-executioners-for-uncanny-x-force/
The Earth 295 reality Apocalypse, Wolverine and Jean Grey were solely powered by Death Seed.
Wolverine had become the new Apocalypse of that reality and rocked the Apocalypse armor. You know, the armor, which was built by the Celestials and even further amplifies a characters power and especially their durability? So let's not pretend that the Death Seed alone meant a vast power increase for Wolverine. There is a difference between the power up from the Death Seed and when you become the next Apocalypse.
Mind showing where Earth 295 Apocalypse armor enhanced powers you moron?
Look at Daken with the Death Seed and without the Apocalypse ascension, all written by the same writer:
https://i.imgur.com/0OOIpx7.jpg
Does that guy strike you as someone, who could defeat the Phoenix just like that? Eh.And besides all of that, no one here is denying that the Death Seed doesn't amp the users powers. My point is, that it unlocks the mind of its user and allows them to tap into their full potential:
https://i.imgur.com/aB2Hp1l.jpg
So yes, Death Seed Sentry is more powerful than a regular Sentry, but still only because he uses all of the power the Sentry himself would have at his disposal, if he used 100% of it. And that speaks volumes for the Sentry.
No, it doesn't. Death seed manifested differently in different characters.
Same with Jean Grey. It's almost as if an omega level mutant with the Death Seed and with the Apocalypse Armor becomes an insanely powerful character ?_? Yet you try to make it sound as if the Death Seed alone would do the same to any mutant ever (like for example you tried getting it through with Wolverine, while leaving out the Apocalypse armor part).
Also, since you like writers statements on topics so much:
Nice owning you, bro.
Jean Grey was depowered to the level of a human before she received death seed, she wasn't an omega level anything.
Hey moron, it's outright stated that Death Seed gives you powers equivalent to Phoenix Force.
Shut up already.
