329 right wing murders Vs. 0 Antifa Murders...

Originally posted by Artol
I agree that that is the main argument that is used in US political discourse right now, it’s rhetorically effective, but I don’t find it convincing mainly because I don’t think it can be established that these deaths were caused by left wing radicalism, and certainly not Antifa.

The way it works rhetorically is that he US has coded everything in a partisan way, so George Floyd Protests are left wing, therefore death associated with George Floyd protests are left wing, and I think that is convincing to many, but in terms of extremist and radical terrorism we can establish these the same way we can far right terrorism or Muslim terrorism.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Bingo! 👆

Seeing you bootlick is kinda sad.

Originally posted by Artol
I agree that that is the main argument that is used in US political discourse right now, it’s rhetorically effective, but I don’t find it convincing mainly because I don’t think it can be established that these deaths were caused by left wing radicalism, and certainly not Antifa.

The way it works rhetorically is that he US has coded everything in a partisan way, so George Floyd Protests are left wing, therefore death associated with George Floyd protests are left wing, and I think that is convincing to many, but in terms of extremist and radical terrorism we can’t establish these the same way we can far right terrorism or Muslim terrorism.

I'm sorry....what?

Yes, those deaths were directly the result of left-wing protesting, rioting, and violence. It's not debatable. Not even the left-wing MSM is debating that.

I have no idea what you're trying to do here but denying reality is not helpful in this type of conversation.

Originally posted by Artol
I agree that that is the main argument that is used in US political discourse right now, it’s rhetorically effective, but I don’t find it convincing mainly because I don’t think it can be established that these deaths were caused by left wing radicalism, and certainly not Antifa.

The way it works rhetorically is that he US has coded everything in a partisan way, so George Floyd Protests are left wing, therefore death associated with George Floyd protests are left wing, and I think that is convincing to many, but in terms of extremist and radical terrorism we can’t establish these the same way we can far right terrorism or Muslim terrorism.

The thing is: the most pathetic folk in the universe will use this as a shield for left wing violence while trying to frame it as being secretly done by right wingers.

And yeah yeah, say it's not antifa. Say it's not the left. Go for it. You will get a bingo.

And if we want to talk about left-wing perpetrated deaths, most homicide criminals are left-wingers. Specifically, Democrats.

It's not fair to bring up those facts.

Your Wiki link did not support your argument. Artol is spot on. Talk about moving the goal posts, poor people are criminals, criminals are left wing, they are Antifa reeeeeeee. Funny stuff. My work is done for tonight.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Your Wiki link did not support your argument. Artol is spot on.

You debase yourself here daily, it's entertaining.

Hitler could say "right wingers are evil" and you'd bingo him. I love it 🙂

Originally posted by dadudemon
I'm sorry....what?

Yes, those deaths were directly the result of left-wing protesting, rioting, and violence. It's not debatable. Not even the left-wing MSM is debating that.

I have no idea what you're trying to do here but denying reality is not helpful in this type of conversation.

Yes, like I said in political terms in the United States this argument works extremely well. In terms of comparing it to other extremist deaths you have to look at the case and find the underlying ideological motivations, and as far as I fans tell that is not left wing extremism for these murders and deaths.

Originally posted by Artol
Yes, like I said in political terms in the United States this argument works extremely well. In terms of comparing it to other extremist deaths you have to look at the case and find the underlying ideological motivations, and as far as I fans tell that is not left wing extremism for these murders and deaths.

As far as you can tell which side is more accepting of their extremists, the right with the alt right or the left with antifa?

Your answer will tell us if you can really be honest or if you're just fishing for bingo's. I am looking forward to it.

Originally posted by dadudemon
So no one is going to talk about the 30-50 deaths from the George Floyd protests that have been occurring since May where the data for the 329 deaths stop? Protests which started on May 26th, 2020?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests#Extremist_participation

FFS, you guys suck as arguing.

You're so ignorant of any facts about reality that Whirly can easily hand your asses to you with these troll threads.

Man, the left really seems to love violence.

voltron to the reeeeescue 😂 I've never seen goal posts moved so far so quickly.

Originally posted by Artol
Yes, like I said in political terms in the United States this argument works extremely well. In terms of comparing it to other extremist deaths you have to look at the case and find the underlying ideological motivations, and as far as I fans tell that is not left wing extremism for these murders and deaths.

Let me make sure I capture your perspective properly so I don't strawman your position:

The left-wing protesters - which are ideologically motivated to protest by their left-wing politics - have caused 30-50 deaths since late May. But they were not motivated by left-wing politics when they killed people?

To me, your argument is nonsensical. There's probably one more step in there, in that last sentence, that you need to add so that your argument makes sense.

I do agree with the partisan nature of the whole conversation is useless. Almost no one will oppose no-nonsense improved regulations for police. Even the police themselves would support better training policies.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Man, the left really seems to love violence.

Yes. Seems like extremists are prone to extreme things.

Originally posted by dadudemon
And if we want to talk about left-wing perpetrated deaths, most homicide criminals are left-wingers. Specifically, Democrats.

That’s probably true, due to the prevalence of violence in poor areas of cities, which also tend to politically think that left politics would be more beneficial to them, like black people, for example.

But that’s not what we are talking about in extremist violence. I find it incredibly frustrating that the nature of US partisan politics and the identification with the term right wing has made it so that Republicans at times play defense for far-right radicals. In an ideal world Conservatives would agree that there is a disturbing rise in far-right violence lately and all parties would work to implement policy to combat that and to reach the people that have fallen into these anti-social circles. But because everything must be framed as Democrat [left] or Republican (right) it’s immensely difficult to get any consensus on anything.

Originally posted by Artol
That’s probably true, due to the prevalence of violence in poor areas of cities, which also tend to politically think that left politics would be more beneficial to them, like black people, for example.

But that’s not what we are talking about in extremist violence. I find it incredibly frustrating that the nature of US partisan politics and the identification with the term right wing has made it so that Republicans at times play defense for far-right radicals. In an ideal world Conservatives would agree that there is a disturbing rise in far-right violence lately and all parties would work to implement policy to combat that and to reach the people that have fallen into these anti-social circles. But because everything must be framed as Democrat [left] or Republican (right) it’s immensely difficult to get any consensus on anything.

From what I can tell based on the data, there's been a drop in far-right violence in the US.

So, no, there is no far-right rise in violence. It's a myth. It's a lie. It's just more partisan politics. It's a narrative created by the MSM to fight Republicans, as if Republicans are the far-right violent extremists perpetuating that specific kind of violence.

But if you play those same games as the dishonest left-wingers and dishonest left-wing media, then you can say the extreme majority of violence in the US is perpetrated by left-wingers and people who identify as Democrats.

DID their politics REALLY motivate them to shoot that rival gang member? I mean...did it REALLY?

Originally posted by Artol
That’s probably true, due to the prevalence of violence in poor areas of cities, which also tend to politically think that left politics would be more beneficial to them, like black people, for example.

But that’s not what we are talking about in extremist violence. I find it incredibly frustrating that the nature of US partisan politics and the identification with the term right wing has made it so that Republicans at times play defense for far-right radicals. In an ideal world Conservatives would agree that there is a disturbing rise in far-right violence lately and all parties would work to implement policy to combat that and to reach the people that have fallen into these anti-social circles. But because everything must be framed as Democrat [left] or Republican (right) it’s immensely difficult to get any consensus on anything.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I'm sorry....what?

Yes, those deaths were directly the result of left-wing protesting, rioting, and violence. It's not debatable. Not even the left-wing MSM is debating that.

I have no idea what you're trying to do here but denying reality is not helpful in this type of conversation.

It doesn't count when it's done by a side he supports.

Originally posted by Surtur
As far as you can tell which side is more accepting of their extremists, the right with the alt right or the left with antifa?

Your answer will tell us if you can really be honest or if you're just fishing for bingo's. I am looking forward to it.

That’s difficult to answer, I think within the establishment the left wing of the Democratic Party is incredibly weak, and gets structurally disadvantaged by the Democrats in power (see Bernie or Tulsi). In that sense the leadership of the Democratic party is very hostile to the left wing.

In terms of Antifa, I think there’s two aspects, 1) I don’t believe that Antifa is the equivalent of far right extremists and 2) Democrats suffer from what some call Trump Derangement Syndrome, so Trump attacking Antifa makes them go to defend them in a knee jerk manner. It’s sort of the same phenomenon as the one I talked about in the last post, where a lot of Republican adjacent people will be quick to say, right wing terrorism is not a problem, solely because a Democrat adjacent person said it is.

Originally posted by dadudemon
From what I can tell based on the data, there's been a drop in far-right violence in the US.

So, no, there is no far-right rise in violence. It's a myth. It's a lie. It's just more partisan politics. It's a narrative created by the MSM to fight Republicans, as if Republicans are the far-right violent extremists perpetuating that specific kind of violence.

But if you play those same games as the dishonest left-wingers and dishonest left-wing media, then you can say the extreme majority of violence in the US is perpetrated by left-wingers and people who identify as Democrats.

DID their politics REALLY motivate them to shoot that rival gang member? I mean...did it REALLY?