329 right wing murders Vs. 0 Antifa Murders...

Originally posted by dadudemon
From what I can tell based on the data, there's been a drop in far-right violence in the US.

So, no, there is no far-right rise in violence. It's a myth. It's a lie. It's just more partisan politics. It's a narrative created by the MSM to fight Republicans, as if Republicans are the far-right violent extremists perpetuating that specific kind of violence.

But if you play those same games as the dishonest left-wingers and dishonest left-wing media, then you can say the extreme majority of violence in the US is perpetrated by left-wingers and people who identify as Democrats.

DID their politics REALLY motivate them to shoot that rival gang member? I mean...did it REALLY?

That’s interesting, what metric is used to show the fall of right wing violence and over what time span.

Originally posted by Artol
That’s interesting, what metric is used to show the fall of right wing violence and over what time span.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
I'm interested too as all the data shows 329 to 0.

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Originally posted by Surtur
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Originally posted by Surtur
As far as you can tell which side is more accepting of their extremists, the right with the alt right or the left with antifa.

Of course, it's true that the Republican party condemns the actions of right-wing extremists more often than the Democratic party condemns the actions of left-wing extremists. Which would be a meaningful fact if the left-wing extremists were also shooting up stores and driving into crowds of protesters, but they aren't, so it's really not.

Originally posted by Artol
That’s interesting, what metric is used to show the fall of right wing violence and over what time span.

I don't have a source. It doesn't exist. Because

El Paso Shooter:

Left-Wing content in his manifesto such as complaints about environmental degradation. He specifically also stated his anti-Hispanic positions predated Trump. He also criticized Republicans and Democrats for importing foreign workers.

He also lambasted corporations for over-using resources and the disenfranchisement of workers.

You know which political ideologies he more closely resembles?

Left-Wing Authoritarianism. Specifically, Left-Wing Nationalism.

Why wasn't this covered in the news? This guy is very much a Left-Wing Nationalist. It's textbook. He mixes in multiple left-wing authoritarian beliefs while also mixing him ethnic homogeneity.

El Paso Shooter: incorrectly called a right-wing extremist. Is actually a left-wing extremist.

Here's the full manifesto:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/08/07/after-el-paso-vital-keep-shooter-manifestos-available-public-column/1931628001/

WaPo and NYT both called him a right-wing extremist when that's not even close to being honest. How do you reconcile his left-wing authoritarian beliefs with his homogeneous ethno-state wants while calling him a right wing extremest?

White Supremacist? Check. Right-wing extremist? Nope.

They broke their study down into 4 categories:

right-wing, left-wing, religious, and ethnonationalist.

And their study said this:

Due to the relatively low levels of ethnonationalist terrorism in the United States, this brief does not address the targets and tactics of ethnonationalist terrorists.

Meaning, ethnonationalist, AKA White-Supremacist Terrorists, are quite low. The El Paso shooter is one but he represents both ethnonationalist and left-wing ideologies.

And the reason for the drop in attacks, overall:

During the 1990s, the highest percentage of right-wing attacks focused on abortion-related targets. But a decrease in these types of plots and attacks suggests that there are fewer individuals inspired by anti-abortion views.

From their data:

There were 411 right-wing attacks in the data set between
1994 and 2020.1

And a proportional majority of them occurred prior to 2014. Proportionally, by year, more of those attacks occurred earlier in the data. Notice they didn't actually break it down by year. They only broke down targets, by year, by percentage.

🙂

Here's there complete article in the PDF with sources:

https://csis-website-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/publication/200729_Jones_TacticsandTargets_v4_FINAL.pdf

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
voltron to the reeeeescue 😂 I've never seen goal posts moved so far so quickly.

I’ve never seen a man over 50 act like a 13 year old but hey!

Originally posted by dadudemon
I don't have a source. It doesn't exist. Because

El Paso Shooter:

Left-Wing content in his manifesto such as complaints about environmental degradation. He specifically also stated his anti-Hispanic positions predated Trump. He also criticized Republicans and Democrats for importing foreign workers.

He also lambasted corporations for over-using resources and the disenfranchisement of workers.

You know which political ideologies he more closely resembles?

Left-Wing Authoritarianism. Specifically, Left-Wing Nationalism.

Why wasn't this covered in the news? This guy is very much a Left-Wing Nationalist. It's textbook. He mixes in multiple left-wing authoritarian beliefs while also mixing him ethnic homogeneity.

El Paso Shooter: incorrectly called a right-wing extremist. Is actually a left-wing extremist.

Here's the full manifesto:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/08/07/after-el-paso-vital-keep-shooter-manifestos-available-public-column/1931628001/

WaPo and NYT both called him a right-wing extremist when that's not even close to being honest. How do you reconcile his left-wing authoritarian beliefs with his homogeneous ethno-state wants while calling him a right wing extremest?

White Supremacist? Check. Right-wing extremist? Nope.

They broke their study down into 4 categories:

right-wing, left-wing, religious, and ethnonationalist.

And their study said this:

Meaning, ethnonationalist, AKA White-Supremacist Terrorists, are quite low. The El Paso shooter is one but he represents both ethnonationalist and left-wing ideologies.

And the reason for the drop in attacks, overall:

From their data:

There were 411 right-wing attacks in the data set between
1994 and 2020.1

And a proportional majority of them occurred prior to 2014. Proportionally, by year, more of those attacks occurred earlier in the data. Notice they didn't actually break it down by year. They only broke down targets, by year, by percentage.

🙂

Originally posted by NewGuy01
By "the right" and "the left," you mean the Republican and Democratic parties respectively? If so, then yeah, I think the Republican party is way more cozy with the alt right. They pay the left a lot of lip service, but by and large, the Democratic party resists leftist agendas at every possible opportunity.

Of course, it's true that the Republican party condemns the actions of right-wing extremists more often than the Democratic party condemns the actions of left-wing extremists. Which would be a meaningful fact if the left-wing extremists were also shooting up stores and driving into crowds of protesters, but they aren't, so it's really not.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
The El Paso shooter is right wing, everyone agrees on that Cruz stated it a week ago. Stop gaslighting.

But he wasn’t right wing.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
But he wasn’t right wing.

You are more likely to shoot someone than anyone here👆

First thing you do when you ready anything is think to yourself

“I can’t wait to make another dumb thread about something I barley read!

Read? Damn Broly, you and your multiple posting. Reeeeeelax.

Nearly a thousand murders of defenseless unborn children by mostly leftists in this country every single day. Nothing right-wingers have done or will ever do compares ro that. Left-wingers are mass murderers. Right-wingers? Not so much. 👆

Originally posted by Surtur
I disagree. It shows right wing extremism is nothing to get upset over.

And while Antifa doesn't have the death count, they do have mayors and governors looking the other way over their destruction.

And the 0 number is not for lack of trying.

Exactly, it just proves that they're inept. And I'm pretty sure that I have heard of instances of them succeeding in killing people anyway... quite recently actually.

We know for a fact that BLM has killed people (for example, that young pretty girl who was killed by a hateful BLM thug for saying "All Lives matter"😉 and it is an indisputable fact that BLM and Antifa are linked with one another.

Pooty just isn't looking hard enough, nor does he want to.

Both BLM and Antifa are a bunch of thug asses. 👆

Originally posted by NewGuy01
By "the right" and "the left," you mean the Republican and Democratic parties respectively? If so, then yeah, I think the Republican party is way more cozy with the alt right. They pay the left a lot of lip service, but by and large, the Democratic party resists leftist agendas at every possible opportunity.

Of course, it's true that the Republican party condemns the actions of right-wing extremists more often than the Democratic party condemns the actions of left-wing extremists. Which would be a meaningful fact if the left-wing extremists were also shooting up stores and driving into crowds of protesters, but they aren't, so it's really not.

So you admit the left coddles extremists more than the right, good 👆

LMAO. No, the Republicans are not "cozy" with the alt-right. What a stupid ass statement to make. Talk about someone being completely ignorant of actual recent history.

When a Republican does something racist the other Republicans censure that person. When a democrat makes racist or anti-semitic statements (which happens much more frequently) the rest of the Democrats turn a blind eye lol.

Either New Guy was trolling or is just plain ignorant, take your pick.

The far left has been causing chaos, damage, and hurting people since the riots started and democrats refuse to call them out on it. Again LOL@ the idea that Republicans are "more cozy" with the alt-right than Democrats are with the far left racists lol. Honestly, that's the most retarded ass statement I've heard in a while on this forum( not counting pooty's trolling statements, of course).

Originally posted by Artol
That’s difficult to answer, I think within the establishment the left wing of the Democratic Party is incredibly weak, and gets structurally disadvantaged by the Democrats in power (see Bernie or Tulsi). In that sense the leadership of the Democratic party is very hostile to the left wing.

In terms of Antifa, I think there’s two aspects, 1) I don’t believe that Antifa is the equivalent of far right extremists and 2) Democrats suffer from what some call Trump Derangement Syndrome, so Trump attacking Antifa makes them go to defend them in a knee jerk manner. It’s sort of the same phenomenon as the one I talked about in the last post, where a lot of Republican adjacent people will be quick to say, right wing terrorism is not a problem, solely because a Democrat adjacent person said it is.

See Antifa doesn't need to be the equivalent of right wing extremists if their own violence and attempts at murder have a blind eye turned to them. Because, say what you want about the republicans, they wouldn't turn a blind eye if the alt right started to firebomb courthouses and police stations for months on end.

And what do you feel would happen if an antifa member did succeed at a murder attempt? Let me tell you: the goal posts would just shift to "well, they still haven't killed as many as right wing extremists!". I guarantee it. And around and around we'd go.