Can Superman react to a CISless Wally West?

both CIS Off NO MORAL

would Superman be able to avoid Wally koing him?

No. Leaving this here...

Also, same issue, Zoom was able to knock out the entire league before any if them had the chance to react and the Flashes, even though outpowered were still able to see his movement...

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/57545365/SmartSelect_20200810-180222_Chrome.jpg.html

Carver is my bestie

Clark can't do a thing.

Originally posted by carver9
No. Leaving this here...

Originally posted by carver9
Also, same issue, Zoom was able to knock out the entire league before any if them had the chance to react and the Flashes, even though outpowered were still able to see his movement...

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/57545365/SmartSelect_20200810-180222_Chrome.jpg.html

No, he cannot.

Wally West is the fastest being in DC atm from what I gather. He was the only one who could keep up with Zoom who can beat up the league like statues and he's only gotten better since then (Not counting Dr. M power-up).

Originally posted by carver9
No. Leaving this here...

The part I found most impressive is that

1) Superman was flying
2) The Flash's were nowhere near their max and were STILL accelerating, especially Wally

This is pretty conclusive, and I'm not really sure why it upsets "some" Superman fan's. After Flash War, Wally doesn't even need to be amped to be as fast as Zoom.

Wally West is the fastest man alive, and it's not even close aside from Hunter. He's main-lined the SF for like 30 years. He time-travelled to Pre-Crisis and tore the Anti-Monitor to pieces, moving so fast, no heroes could see what even happened, like 40 years ago.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
No, he cannot.

Wally West is the fastest being in DC atm from what I gather. He was the only one who could keep up with Zoom who can beat up the league like statues and he's only gotten better since then (Not counting Dr. M power-up).

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The part I found most impressive is that

1) Superman was flying
2) The Flash's were nowhere near their max and were STILL accelerating, especially Wally

This is pretty conclusive, and I'm not really sure why it upsets "some" Superman fan's. After Flash War, Wally doesn't even need to be amped to be as fast as Zoom.

Wally West is the fastest man alive, and it's not even close aside from Hunter. He's main-lined the SF for like 30 years. He time-travelled to Pre-Crisis and tore the Anti-Monitor to pieces, moving so fast, no heroes could see what even happened, like 40 years ago.

Races alongside Barry running as fast as he can:
https://ibb.co/4PFhQF8
https://ibb.co/VLV165n
https://ibb.co/H2G15mz
https://ibb.co/fx5TMdL

Superman outraces the Flash, when motivated by Luthor donating money if he wins. When asked how he did it, he said he just simply ran faster. [repost from above]
https://ibb.co/qdWkVJV
https://ibb.co/BqqJ3x1
https://ibb.co/pzhj2N7
https://ibb.co/TcgDtww
https://ibb.co/HHrzPkB
https://ibb.co/Mfq1JFR
https://ibb.co/58rv4jj
https://ibb.co/vP0KrzQ
https://ibb.co/Rpx9sjK
https://ibb.co/t84k8Rf
https://ibb.co/0yGsKBX
https://ibb.co/GsQvSjT

Wally isn't fast enough that Superman can't perceive him, never has been.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The part I found most impressive is that

1) Superman was flying
2) The Flash's were nowhere near their max and were STILL accelerating, especially Wally

This is pretty conclusive, and I'm not really sure why it upsets "some" Superman fan's. After Flash War, Wally doesn't even need to be amped to be as fast as Zoom.

Wally West is the fastest man alive, and it's not even close aside from Hunter. He's main-lined the SF for like 30 years. He time-travelled to Pre-Crisis and tore the Anti-Monitor to pieces, moving so fast, no heroes could see what even happened, like 40 years ago.

This. Also, the only reason I know he wasn't moving at his max (the Flashes) is because in the same comic, Lantern caught up to them, seen them coming and put up a wall to stop them.

Originally posted by abhilegend
😂
Sucker punched, idiot.

He blitzed the entire team and he still couldn't react. Quite different from a sucker punch.

So Lantern has faster perceptions than Superman and WW. Nice.

Superman was never, is never, and not even remotely close to Flash levels. Wally is faster based on consistency, speed feats, and overall. That's not an opinion. Surfer has a better chance at reacting

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Superman was never, is never, and not even remotely close to Flash levels. Wally is faster based on consistency, speed feats, and overall. That's not an opinion. Surfer has a better chance at reacting

Originally posted by carver9
He blitzed the entire team and he still couldn't react. Quite different from a sucker punch.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Tell that to DC comics.

That is the current narrative at DC.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Uh-huh. That's about as relevant as Superman actually beating Flash in a race. Or when he kept up with Barry going as fast as he could.

Races alongside Barry running as fast as he can:
https://ibb.co/4PFhQF8
https://ibb.co/VLV165n
https://ibb.co/H2G15mz
https://ibb.co/fx5TMdL

Lol what? Why is it, that only Superman has different levels, but no one else can push themselves? A race is NOWHERE near as serious for a Flash when their family is at stake.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman outraces the Flash, when motivated by Luthor donating money if he wins. When asked how he did it, he said he just simply ran faster. [repost from above]
https://ibb.co/qdWkVJV
https://ibb.co/BqqJ3x1
https://ibb.co/pzhj2N7
https://ibb.co/TcgDtww
https://ibb.co/HHrzPkB
https://ibb.co/Mfq1JFR
https://ibb.co/58rv4jj
https://ibb.co/vP0KrzQ
https://ibb.co/Rpx9sjK
https://ibb.co/t84k8Rf
https://ibb.co/0yGsKBX
https://ibb.co/GsQvSjT

Originally posted by abhilegend
Wally isn't fast enough that Superman can't perceive him, never has been.

Wrong. Happened years ago:

Wally West no longer needs Jesse Quick's speed to be as fast as Zoom. To them, Superman is a statue.

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/The-Flash-2016/Issue-50?id=136950

Just read Flash War. It conclusively proves that Wally West is definitely the fastest Flash. Wally >/= Hunter >> Barry >>> everyone else

Not fast enough to make Supes unable to perceive him. I.e. dozens to hundreds of times faster.

He is faster in the way a Cheetah is faster than a Lion. A significant percent. Not even multiples.

superman can perceive them.

but no, he's not as fast as them in a race obviously.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Not fast enough to make Supes unable to perceive him. I.e. dozens to hundreds of times faster.

He is faster in the way a Cheetah is faster than a Lion. A significant percent. Not even multiples.

Not true. Zoom was so fast, even Wally West could not perceive him or keep up:
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11114/111140449/4681450-7557964248-35254.jpg

At his peak, Zoom is so fast, he could ghost Flash in a fight without them noticing.

Wally needed to steal extra speed from another speedster such as Jesse:
https://pm1.narvii.com/6071/b6d00c9b0eab6a075254ae2f6070f271c57497ac_hq.jpg

Now however, Wally has gotten fast enough to keep up with him:
https://i.postimg.cc/NG81KHMr/RCO015-1583385388.jpg < Pay attention to this scan. Wally specifically says, he's running as fast as he can and is barely able to keep up. Then he instantly pushes past his limitations, which was already multiple levels above when Superman while flying, could not keep up.
https://i.postimg.cc/659Cnp2b/RCO016-1583385388.jpg < Then he catches up, speeds past him, and circles back around casually.
https://i.postimg.cc/5NnL3W84/RCO017-1583385388.jpg

Which is why I'd argue if Wally wanted, Superman would be a statue. Which is aligned with what happend:
https://i.postimg.cc/tJzPwLfz/RCO015-1582385726.jpg

Wally and Zoom are so fast, not even Barry should be able to react to them imo. Superman shouldn't even be in the conversation tbh.

Just to be clear, these are extreme situations, where the Flash is multiple levels above his regular limitations.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
superman can perceive them.

but no, he's not as fast as them in a race obviously.

Seems like he heard them. Look at the panel. That is why the ? is there.