Originally posted by Galan007But this thread isn't asking who would win in a race. It's asking if Wally is faster to the point where even a CIS-free/bloodlusted Superman would be unable to perceive or react to his attack.
yep,
TBH, I can see supes perceiving him coming, but wont be able to react to it fast enough
It has been the other way around actually. Superman moved so fast that Wally saw it coming but couldn't do anything about it.
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/6/68374/1446845-supesshieldbreak.jpg
Originally posted by carver9
When did they reach it? Them saying they have to reach it doesnt mean it happened at that point. Show us where they reached it and then prove it.
So the very fact that the Flashes breached the personal singularity and "got to" Darkseid, means they must have been moving FTL. If they would have been moving slower than light speed, they wouldn't have been able to get inside the singularity to begin with.
Galan: Also carver, Black Racer was explicitly stated to be able to move at the speed of light in that series. So the very fact that the Flashes consistently/perpetually outran him(even after entering Darkseid's singularity) means they must have still been moving FTL.
...Which, ironically enough, coincides with Wally's "superluminal velocity" statement in the panels just before Superman perceives/identifies Barry. 🙂
Glad we nipped that one in the bud. 👆
Originally posted by abhilegend
It has been the other way around actually. Superman moved so fast that Wally saw it coming but couldn't do anything about it.https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/6/68374/1446845-supesshieldbreak.jpg
huh.. neat
Originally posted by Galan007
Galan: Also carver, Black Racer was explicitly stated to be able to move at the speed of light in that series. So the very fact that the Flashes consistently/perpetually outran him(even after entering Darkseid's singularity) means they must have still been moving FTL....Which, ironically enough, coincides with Wally's "superluminal velocity" statement in the panels just before Superman perceives/identifies Barry. 🙂
Glad we nipped that one in the bud. 👆
I still don't see the panels that way.
Time stops at light speed for the Flashes. The Omega beams are closing in on Wally and Barry during panels 3, 4 and 5. The next panel Wally, Barry and the Omega beams go speeding past Supes. If time stopped then the Omega beams wouldn't have been following them still. Pointed in their direction, yes, but that panel shows me they're still gaining on the Flashes.
Wally is still telling Barry "Together". "We'regoingintogether..." They may have been about to do the last push through but in the panel with Superman it doesn't like they hadn't quite done it.
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
ya maybe it was just a slip, because the whole point of the radion bullet and omega sanction beams is that they could basically be fired at their target from any point in time, to hit a target at any point in time.
Yeah, but that description would make them an insta-kill the moment they're fired. They way they're portrayed though they actually have to travel to the target and the target can apparently elude them if they're fast enough, making distance and time both a factor/limit of the Omega beams.
But that would be why they needed to go above light speed - in a never-ending instant there is no 'time' for them to get hit.
