Can Thor and Thanos break The chains in UP and The Sky

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Common sense dictates one probably wouldn't be moving what is the most or near to the most massive physical objects in the universe, complete with gravitational fields to match, at light speed. The more I think on it, the less sense that makes. Even within the realm of suspended disbelief in fiction, moving stars at glacial speed, i.e. like a terraforming project, makes infinitely more sense than say light speed Transport

The truth is that that part will always be unknown. Even the process is a little vague. We know the chains are made in that inverse black hole but at the time we don't know how long it takes. If there is other elements being left out.

We do know the intention is to show these chains are incredibly strong and hard to break and therefore it's impressive that Superman can break them.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
It's largely unquantifable, regardless. for a calc, you would have to know the time it would take to from A to B. You can't know what that speed is. You can only infer. I can ship a package across the world by boat or plane; urgently, leisurely, by it's natural course. It's the same great distance but nowhere is it stated the necessary speeds to make the calculations valid.

This feat would be better used in a say GL vs Supes where GL's constructs have power to haul stars and this is proof that Supes can break them despite that.

Starships in fiction move FTL in order to get places in a reasonable time. We lowballed the feat and calculated the force for a long UNREASONABLE amount of time and still got more than millions of stellar weights.

We don't need to know the exact speed. We need to know a speed THAT'S UNDER the real speed.

For example, if Superman lifts a truck then we know he's lifting more than 1ton even though we might not know the exact weight of the truck.

Originally posted by Newjak
I mean if you really break it down how are you going to tie chains around a star? How does that make sense as the mechanism for moving them?

The truth is that that part will always be unknown. Even the process is a little vague. We know the chains are made in that inverse black hole but at the time we don't know how long it takes. If there is other elements being left out.

We do know the intention is to show these chains are incredibly strong and hard to break and therefore it's impressive that Superman can break them.

There are at least several ways you can theoretically haul a star with chains (although this is comics and no explanation is needed, such as when characters lift buildings and pyramids without them crumbling, when characters are able to hit or throw objects in space without any damage to the ground, etc)

For example, You can wrap the star completely in a star sized metal container of the same material and attach that container to the chains and then haul it .

Originally posted by h1a8
Starships in fiction move FTL in order to get places in a reasonable time. We lowballed the feat and calculated the force for a long an UNREASONABLE amount of time and still got more than millions of stellar weights.

We don't need to know the exact speed. We need to know a speed THAT'S UNDER the real speed.

For example, if Superman lifts a truck then we know he's lifting more than 1ton even though we might not know the exact weight of the truck.

nothing about your assumptions are safe. 1. Hauling something the size of a star through a galaxy at anywhere light speed is absolutely ludicrous to contemplate. Our sun is a small star. So, yes, let's haul billions to the hundredth power tons of nuclear gas past oort clouds, nutbula, other stars, planets, etc, all at near light speed

we can teleport and move stars, but we do it as archaically as using chain links. Instead of say, IDK... Building a gate to move it, or whatever. Nothing about this is logical or makes sense. It was a dumb ass page/panel, not at all thought out.

unless constellations in DC multiverse arent static at all, they can't be moving many stars or moving them quickly. Cuz someone would notice

Originally posted by Newjak
I mean if you really break it down how are you going to tie chains around a star? How does that make sense as the mechanism for moving them?

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Like this.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Perfect.

So abhi didn't mention adamantium first, good to know.

In that line of discussion he did, which is what Newjak was trying to explain and you hopefully are pretending to miss.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
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Like this.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
nothing about your assumptions are safe. 1. Hauling something the size of a star through a galaxy at anywhere light speed is absolutely ludicrous to contemplate. Our sun is a small star. So, yes, let's haul billions to the hundredth power tons of nuclear gas past oort clouds, nutbula, other stars, planets, etc, all at near light speed

we can teleport and move stars, but we do it as archaically as using chain links. Instead of say, IDK... Building a gate to move it, or whatever. Nothing about this is logical or makes sense. It was a dumb ass page/panel, not at all thought out.

unless constellations in DC multiverse arent static at all, they can't be moving many stars or moving them quickly. Cuz someone would notice

Almost all feats in comics make no sense.
Hitting someone with 100+ ton strength but only sending then several feet away
Lifting huge structures like buildings without the building crumbling or the character sinking in the ground.
Throwing or hitting objects that are more massive than the character far away without that character moving backwards any amount.

I can go on forever.

I gave a reasonable way for the stars to be hauled (although no possible explanation is needed).

Originally posted by Newjak
I was talking from a more real world scenario lol.

I gave a real world possible explanation in the post above.

Originally posted by h1a8
There are at least several ways you can theoretically haul a star with chains (although this is comics and no explanation is needed, such as when characters lift buildings and pyramids without them crumbling, when characters are able to hit or throw objects in space without any damage to the ground, etc)

For example, You can wrap the star completely in a star sized metal container of the same material and attach that container to the chains and then haul it .

Originally posted by h1a8
Starships in fiction move FTL in order to get places in a reasonable time. We lowballed the feat and calculated the force for a long UNREASONABLE amount of time and still got more than millions of stellar weights.

We don't need to know the exact speed. We need to know a speed THAT'S UNDER the real speed.

For example, if Superman lifts a truck then we know he's lifting more than 1ton even though we might not know the exact weight of the truck.

Also, If the device negates the iberia/gravity of the planet you are no longer lugging the star's weight. You would be lugging the device. It's comics, it's more than like could happen like that. So Superman's feat is more open ended and not as impressive as Thor straight up breaking through the "weight" of a neutron star which we can get a rough solid estimate of at least.

@h1 😂 you put up these calcs as though you were given even a single number in the story. But you weren't. Nor were you given a means for moving said star. You weren't given a timeline or purpose of movement. NOTHING! Just, "these chains pull stars". Dassit. And you're asspulling numbers as though they have any real relevance here. They don't.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Also, If the device negates the iberia/gravity of the planet you are no longer lugging the star's weight. You would be lugging the device. It's comics, it's more than like could happen like that. So Superman's feat is more open ended and not as impressive as Thor straight up breaking through the "weight" of a neutron star which we can get a rough solid estimate of at least.

Although you can theoretically negate weight (gravity) force, weight force (gravity pull) is irrelevant here. It takes force to accelerate mass (even in the absence of gravity). Think of a bowling ball vs a ping pong ball floating in space. The bowling ball would be harder to throw than the ping pong ball. Gravity of each has nothing to do with it.

The mass of the star was unchanged due to writers intent.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
@h1 😂 you put up these calcs as though you were given even a single number in the story. But you weren't. Nor were you given a means for moving said star. You weren't given a timeline or purpose of movement. NOTHING! Just, "these chains pull stars". Dassit. And you're asspulling numbers as though they have any real relevance here. They don't.

We can't calculate the exact numbers for the feat but we can calculate numbers that are guaranteed BELOW the real numbers.

Remember the truck example I gave?

Originally posted by Newjak
I was talking from a more real world scenario lol.

That IS A RL scenario 😠

Originally posted by TheHulkster
In that line of discussion he did, which is what Newjak was trying to explain and you hopefully are pretending to miss.

h1 asked why bring up adamantium to SUPPORT these characters (i.e. Thor and Thanos).

You said, why not ask the one who brought it up, and quoted abhi.

Rage and Damborg did, to SUPPORT Thor. Not abhi. Thanks. Abhi was even replying to Rage.

Originally posted by h1a8
We can't calculate the exact numbers for the feat but we can calculate numbers that are guaranteed BELOW the real numbers.

Remember the truck example I gave?

I mean, we NEVER get told how heavy the cars are that Hawkeye lifts, or the mass of any RL objects (submarines, trucks, cars etc) that comic characters lift.

But if Aunt May lifts a car, that's an impressive feat - we don't need to know what model of car, or its exact composition, or whatever.

Originally posted by h1a8
Although you can theoretically negate weight (gravity) force, weight force (gravity pull) is irrelevant here. It takes force to accelerate mass (even in the absence of gravity). Think of a bowling ball vs a ping pong ball floating in space. The bowling ball would be harder to throw than the ping pong ball. Gravity of each has nothing to do with it.

The mass of the star was unchanged due to writers intent.

In space wouldn't the force required to move the bowling ball be much much less and very similar to the ping pong ball? If I was let's say on an unmovable platform for leverage and gravity doesn't exist if I shoved a building it would in fact start to move in the direction I shoved it correct? Something I couldn't accomplish on earth.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I mean, we NEVER get told how heavy the cars are that Hawkeye lifts, or the mass of any RL objects (submarines, trucks, cars etc) that comic characters lift.

But if Aunt May lifts a car, that's an impressive feat - we don't need to know what model of car, or its exact composition, or whatever.

This standard should be applied for every character though. I definitely don't feel like it does on these forums.

Originally posted by h1a8
We can't calculate the exact numbers for the feat but we can calculate numbers that are guaranteed BELOW the real numbers.

Remember the truck example I gave?

What's wrong is assuming a rate of acceleration. Because your calcs are hinged on a non essential and unknown rate of acceleration (for instance, how do you know they're even moving 99% of light speed the whole trip, or at all, or how long it took to reach said speed). Your calc starts with an assumption, no a blatant guess, so your entire calc is meaningless.

It's like me speculating on Gamoras digestive process. I have like no info on that. So I could make some shit up, but I'm not gonna try to science it and scale it to a discussion about her. That's what you're doing right now. Speculating on the length of Gamoras species intestines and digestive power

You could calculate the velocity of a frog fart in the Jupiter hurricane if you'd like, just don't post it here as though it has even a whiff of relevance to this discussion

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
@diesl

won't let me reply to you... BUT So we are going to sit here and act like dude wasn't boasting the whole storyline? The robots were supposed to be unbeatable, they weren't. The writer was writing the character to boast like he was the shit. EVERY comic writer has written a boasting character, let's not act like it isn't a thing. 😂

Telling superman what the metal is made is for is boasting to you? Smh. If I tell you that bullet proof vests are made of layers of UHMWPE, is that bragging? No I’m giving you facts. You and carver are in the last phase before walking away and that’s denial.

Here’s a bit of advice, Stick to bottling farts because you’re bad at defending your arguments.

And that villain guy defeated DC earth so “he was the shit”.

Uhhh yeah. He mentioned that the chains were used to haul stars between galaxies, and that it was unbreakable. It was obviously boasting