Thor vs Aquaman [pure strength]

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Even removing half of his feats should still leave Thor with enough to destroy Aquaman's supporters in a feat war.

1. Thor has been around longer (~25 years more)
2. Thor is written as the 'strong guy' of the Avengers (along with Hulk). Aquaman is not.
3. Thor is more popular than Aquaman (by this I mean, he appears in more comics than Aquaman).
4. Yes, I agree that Thor has most of his appearances with Mjolnir in hand. Aquaman literally has most of his appearances with [b]one hand. From 1994 onwards. And then, from 2011 onwards he had most of his appearances with a trident in hand.

So yeah, removing half of Thor's strengths feats should still leave him with plenty. Moreover, the thread specifically asks for LIFTING feats, which, unless Thor has three arms, most (all?) of these feats should have been accomplished without Mjolnir in hand anyway. [/B]

That and lifting things generally isn't how Thor solves problems by the nature of how he is written.

So it doesn't matter if he has more appearances if the bulk of them are written in a different manner they still aren't going to give a plethora of results in the manner being asked for. It's a silly game to make Thor look weaker then he is.

Besides most of Thor's best lifting feats generally get nitpicked to death anyways until the side doing the nitpicking have convinced themselves they aren't usable anyways. For instance the Midgard serpent feat.

And these threads particularly are just a way to reenforce a bias most of a certain group has anyways and then they like to pat themselves on the back as if they have been clever.

The truth is we all knows Thor's feats. We know what the writer's intent is.

We already know why these threads get created. It's all a silly game to undermine a character they don't like.

Originally posted by Newjak
Haven't we already discussed the bulk of his power feats are almost always striking feats.

That and lifting things generally isn't how Thor solves problems by the nature of how he is written.

So it doesn't matter if he has more appearances if the bulk of them are written in a different manner they still aren't going to give a plethora of results in the manner being asked for. It's a silly game to make Thor look weaker then he is.

Besides most of Thor's best lifting feats generally get nitpicked to death anyways until the side doing the nitpicking have convinced themselves they aren't usable anyways. For instance the Midgard serpent feat.

And these threads particularly are just a way to reenforce a bias most of a certain group has anyways and then they like to pat themselves on the back as if they have been clever.

The truth is we all knows Thor's feats. We know what the writer's intent is.

We already know why these threads get created. It's all a silly game to undermine a character they don't like.

And again, he's not being put up against a character whose power feats aren't primarily strength feats. He's not being put up against WW, or Shazam, or Martian Manhunter.

Aquaman doesn't usually solve problems by his muscles, either. He uses TP, or summons a dolphin, or uses his hook/harpoon/water hand/or uses his army/Atlantean tech. Or uses a trident. In the JLA, you have Superman/WW/J'onn to do the lifting.

But as you say, the bulk of his feats are almost always striking.

So he should have SOME lifting feats.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And again, he's not being put up against a character whose power feats aren't primarily strength feats. He's not being put up against WW, or Shazam, or Martian Manhunter.

Aquaman doesn't usually solve problems by his muscles, either. He uses TP, or summons a dolphin, or uses his hook/harpoon/water hand/or uses his army/Atlantean tech. Or uses a trident. In the JLA, you have Superman/WW/J'onn to do the lifting.

But as you say, the bulk of his feats are almost always striking.

So he should have SOME lifting feats.

Which in turn makes Thor seem on the same level as Aquaman or well below other strength based heroes like Superman, Wonder Woman, Hulk, Shazam, stupid Drax.

It's all a game. And he does have some lifting feats but considering his best ones get nitpicked to death(Midgard serpent) and the other ones are just general one offs for fun like holding up a skyscraper.

The fact is when the chips are down and Thor is facing his toughest physical obstacles 99/100 times how is he going to be written solve them? By hitting them with a hammer.

So we already know how this thread is going to go.

The world engine is going to get brought up. The Midgard serpent is going to get brought up. One side absolutely will not accept them then Aquaman's city lifting feat Trump the minor building/bridge lifting ones that are left over.

It's like I said boring and silly because do you honestly think Aquaman is in the ad ballpark of strength as Thor? Where would you place Thor in terms of strength when compared to other Herald level characters like Wonder Woman?

Thor is far stronger

Originally posted by Newjak
That's the whole point though. Place Thor in awkward situation against a character we all know he is stronger but because of the limitations it's going to look a lot more even.

Which in turn makes Thor seem on the same level as Aquaman or well below other strength based heroes like Superman, Wonder Woman, Hulk, Shazam, stupid Drax.

It's all a game. And he does have some lifting feats but considering his best ones get nitpicked to death(Midgard serpent) and the other ones are just general one offs for fun like holding up a skyscraper.

The fact is when the chips are down and Thor is facing his toughest physical obstacles 99/100 times how is he going to be written solve them? By hitting them with a hammer.

So we already know how this thread is going to go.

The world engine is going to get brought up. The Midgard serpent is going to get brought up. One side absolutely will not accept them then Aquaman's city lifting feat Trump the minor building/bridge lifting ones that are left over.

It's like I said boring and silly because do you honestly think Aquaman is in the ad ballpark of strength as Thor? Where would you place Thor in terms of strength when compared to other Herald level characters like Wonder Woman?

So in short, what you are cutting through everything is, Thor has two feats (World Engine/Midgard Serpent) and then after that, he has nothing to trump Aquaman's.

Even though Aquaman was, for most of his (25-year shorter) history, either one-handed or was dead. And is the butt of jokes in the JLA as the fish-talking guy.

OK. Look, I don't know all of Thor's feats (or even most of them). And that is not me being disingenuous or trolling - I genuinely don't know his feats from say the 60s/70s/80s. But to say that he only has 2 lifting feats in his entire history to trump Aquaman? That honestly, genuinely sounds wrong.

Originally posted by Newjak
Haven't we already discussed the bulk of his power feats are almost always striking feats.

That and lifting things generally isn't how Thor solves problems by the nature of how he is written.

So it doesn't matter if he has more appearances if the bulk of them are written in a different manner they still aren't going to give a plethora of results in the manner being asked for. It's a silly game to make Thor look weaker then he is.

Besides most of Thor's best lifting feats generally get nitpicked to death anyways until the side doing the nitpicking have convinced themselves they aren't usable anyways. For instance the Midgard serpent feat.

And these threads particularly are just a way to reenforce a bias most of a certain group has anyways and then they like to pat themselves on the back as if they have been clever.

The truth is we all knows Thor's feats. We know what the writer's intent is.

We already know why these threads get created. It's all a silly game to undermine a character they don't like.

100% right

Thor could destroy the planet that Arthur is on with the shockwaves from his attacks half a solar system away but because he doesn't have some lame ass lifting feat...

Nm, I wouldn't bother Newjak, it's pointless. They live and breath hating on Thor. It's kinda weird.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So in short, what you are cutting through everything is, Thor has two feats (World Engine/Midgard Serpent) and then after that, he has nothing to trump Aquaman's.

Even though Aquaman was, for most of his (25-year shorter) history, either one-handed or was dead. And is the butt of jokes in the JLA as the fish-talking guy.

OK. Look, I don't know all of Thor's feats (or even most of them). And that is not me being disingenuous or trolling - I genuinely don't know his feats from say the 60s/70s/80s. But to say that he only has 2 lifting feats in his entire history to trump Aquaman? That honestly, genuinely sounds wrong.

It's the entire point of these threads 🙄

Remove the best feats of Thor, don't accept the few good ones that still meet the criteria, and force the Thor crowd to pick from the bottom of the barrel.

Cause either his lifting/strength feats generally get into the realm of fantasy and people argue it's not quantifiable ie the Midgard Serpent or people try to downplay them like arm-wrestling Herc.

You didn't answer my questions though?

Originally posted by Philosophía
Let's have some fun.

[b]No feats where Mjolnir is involved. No statements/hyperboles or relative showings [so, you can't use Aquaman against Wonder Woman, or Thor against Hulk and whatnot to steal their feats].

Post-Crisis/New 52/Rebirth feats.

Pure, physical object:

1). Lifting
2). Throwing.

I'm curious to see how many feats they have [most likely Thor] that are superior to one or the other.

I'll start with Aquaman throwing a submarine from the bottom of the ocean all the way to the surface:

[/B]

Christ on a bike...

the world engine feat and midgard serpent feat pretty much blow everything aquaman did strength wise out of water doesn't it

Originally posted by -Pr-
Christ on a bike...

Is Newjak going to contribute or just complain more and more about the thread? Its derailing honestly.

We are just comparing quantifiable feats. Raw numbers that can be compared. No scaling or anything to muddy the waters, seeing as the sliding scale in comics is retardedly forgiving. One guy can be thousands if not millions of times weaker than the other and still draw blood. Eg. Ben Grimm vs Green Scar.

Sure we know intuitively that Thor is stronger but let's compare hard numbers too.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Is Newjak going to contribute or just complain more and more about the thread? Its derailing honestly.

We are just comparing quantifiable feats. Raw numbers that can be compared. No scaling or anything to muddy the waters, seeing as the sliding scale in comics is retardedly forgiving. One guy can be thousands if not millions of times weaker than the other and still draw blood. Eg. Ben Grimm vs Green Scar.

Sure we know intuitively that Thor is stronger but let's compare hard numbers too.

Originally posted by Newjak
I think it's important to understand and comment on the nature of why certain threads get created.

So you're saying Thor has only 2 lifting feats in his entire history that beats Aquaman's,despite having a ton more appearances, his role as strongman in the Avengers and Aquaman only having one hand/being dead/the joke of the JLA for most of his appearances.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So you're saying Thor has only 2 lifting feats in his entire history that beats Aquaman's,despite having a ton more appearances, his role as strongman in the Avengers and Aquaman only having one hand/being dead/the joke of the JLA for most of his appearances.

So answer the questions I asked you.

Do you think Thor is stronger then Aquaman? What tier of strength would you put him in?

Model I Mark III Iron Man strength tier.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So you're saying Thor has only 2 lifting feats in his entire history that beats Aquaman's,despite having a ton more appearances, his role as strongman in the Avengers and Aquaman only having one hand/being dead/the joke of the JLA for most of his appearances.

The only people that treat Aquaman as a joke aren't part of the League, whether they're readers or the public in DC. I expect that you know that, but you keep bringing it up... Why?

Originally posted by -Pr-
The only people that treat Aquaman as a joke aren't part of the League, whether they're readers or the public in DC. I expect that you know that, but you keep bringing it up... Why?

Originally posted by Newjak
Now I just assume you're playing dumb with me and ignoring the points being made.

So answer the questions I asked you.

Do you think Thor is stronger then Aquaman? What tier of strength would you put him in?

I'mplaying dumb, and I'm ignoring the points you made?

You ignored my point that Aquaman isn't the strength guy of the JLA- never has been.

You ignored my point that for most of his history since 1985, he does exactly what you argue Thor does - he holds a weapon in his hand, or doesn't even have both his hands.

Your question is actually off-topic. The thread asks for lifting feats - OP even says that Thor likely has more superior ones.

Originally posted by -Pr-
The only people that treat Aquaman as a joke aren't part of the League, whether they're readers or the public in DC. I expect that you know that, but you keep bringing it up... Why?

I meant that the perception of Aquaman isn't that he's a heavy hitter. By RL readers/DC public. Because he doesn't rack up the feats. Newjak is making out like Thor is going up against some poster boy of strength - when if you were to ask the average reader out there, hell, even if you ask most of the seasoned comic readers out there, Aquaman isn't ranking up as one of the strongest JLAers

In the Avengers, if you need a strong person, you go to Hulk and Thor. Maybe Hercules if he is around.

In the JLA, you have Supes, WW, J'onn, and then maybe Aquaman. And that's if Shazam isn't around.

Originally posted by Newjak
My guess is to play dumb for the sake of this farce of a thread lol

Then your guess is wrong.

Aquaman isn't seen as a 'strong guy'. Why? Because he doesn't have tons of feats of lifting.

Simples.

Yet, even with his paltry few lifting feats, APPARENTLY (as no one has even posted anything for Thor), apart from the Midgard/World Engine feat, he still APPARENTLY outshines Thor.

But then, nobody has bothered posting Thor supporting scans, and instead you've just spent your time and energy complaining.

So yeah, your guess is wrong.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Then your guess is wrong.

Aquaman isn't seen as a 'strong guy'. Why? Because he doesn't have tons of feats of lifting.

Simples.

Yet, even with his paltry few lifting feats, APPARENTLY (as no one has even posted anything for Thor), apart from the Midgard/World Engine feat, he still APPARENTLY outshines Thor.

But then, nobody has bothered posting Thor supporting scans, and instead you've just spent your time and energy complaining.

So yeah, your guess is wrong.

Especially since you're jumping through hoops to not answer the questions