Originally posted by DarkSaint85
See that is the thing.I know MMHis laughed at, but....he has feats beyond that.
So whilst Babadi may not be able to mindrape the Z fighters, MMH still has better feats than him.
But the thing with dragon Ball is,. All their abilities increase as their Ki increases. So to determine whether they couldn't resist a mind attack from MMH, you would have to size up where you think his PL would fall under, because people who would be much higher, could simply neg his attack.
Vegeta allowed babidi into his head, and then kicked him out after having his latent powers awakened, same babidi controlled dabura and the others
Originally posted by Genii96
But the thing with dragon Ball is,. All their abilities increase as their Ki increases. So to determine whether they couldn't resist a mind attack from MMH, you would have to size up where you think his PL would fall under, because people who would be much higher, could simply neg his attack.Vegeta allowed babidi into his head, and then kicked him out after having his latent powers awakened, same babidi controlled dabura and the others
That's because Vegeta was obsessed with defeating Goku. His PL had nothing to do with it, it was all pure will.
It's also not necessarily true that everything increases consistently as PL goes up. Otherwise no one would ever be able to track someone with a higher number, and we know that isn't always the case.
Plus, we have no idea how TP is affected by it. If at all. (Has Vegeta ever shown telepathy?)
Originally posted by Genii96I'm not really sure if that's the case when it comes to TP-defenses(because offensive TP is rarely ever used in DB), but that is typically how DB logic works.
But the thing with dragon Ball is,. All their abilities increase as their Ki increases. So to determine whether they couldn't resist a mind attack from MMH, you would have to size up where you think his PL would fall under, because people who would be much higher, could simply neg his attack.Vegeta allowed babidi into his head, and then kicked him out after having his latent powers awakened, same babidi controlled dabura and the others
As they get more powerful, their resistance to pretty much everything tends to increase as well.
Originally posted by Galan007
Right, and Superman is susceptible to red sun, magic, and kryptonite.Every fictional hero has something they're susceptible to. In the Saiyans' case, they need some type of semi-breathable atmosphere.
Funny no one ever thought to ask the dragon to fix that problem.
Or at least carry a capsule with a space suit.
Originally posted by Galan007
I'm not really sure if that's the case when it comes to TP-defenses(because offensive TP is rarely ever used in DB), but that is typically how DB logic works.As they get more powerful, their resistance to pretty much everything tends to increase as well.
There is literarily no reason to assume that their TP resistance doesn't increase alongside their other abilities IMHO, because dragon Ball uses an incredibly simple scaling that even little kids will grasp, if All their other abilities are getting amped, there is no reason for their TP defence not to, and IF someone is to claim that THAT SPECIFIC trait will not be affected despite the increase in PL, then THEY have to bring proof because they are arguing for an exception, not a norm.
We really don't need to see a specific kind of resistance more than once or twice especially in a series that allows fighters neg majority of hax by simply having very high levels of ki
The pro DB debaters don't have to show that TP defence will increase when it's basically part and parcel of the entire show. Now if I were to ask them to bring a single ability that was not enhanced as the xter got stronger, I doubt they would be able to
IMHO, to see if a telepath can affect a z fighter it ki-using character depends on where you'd put them in the relative ki scale because TP resistance is one of the defences that has been shown
Originally posted by Genii96
But the thing with dragon Ball is,. All their abilities increase as their Ki increases. So to determine whether they couldn't resist a mind attack from MMH, you would have to size up where you think his PL would fall under, because people who would be much higher, could simply neg his attack.Vegeta allowed babidi into his head, and then kicked him out after having his latent powers awakened, same babidi controlled dabura and the others
Just to clarify it would be one thing if it were an ability that was never shown or even hinted at. But, in the case of TP you have several characters displaying said ability multiple times throughout the series. Furthermore, the two powers tend to correlate: TP and resistance to TP. It's not a stretch to say that they have TP defenses, it's not entirely baseless.
Originally posted by Galan007
Right, and Superman is susceptible to red sun, magic, and kryptonite.Every fictional hero has something they're susceptible to. In the Saiyans' case, they need some type of semi-breathable atmosphere.
Somethings stay consistent like they're need of a breathable atmosphere. But, TP in comics not even Dragonball but comics is always a two way street in that having the ability makes you more resistant to it being used against you. I've never heard of a one-way TP user i.e. a TP user who is just as susceptible to TP as a non-TP user. That's unprecedented.