!!!The Official Dragon Ball vs. Comics Thread!!!

Originally posted by abhilegend
Let's not talk about J'onn like he is this Uber telepath who just wins using his telepathy against everyone.

And keeping a mental link with every human on planet is a hell of a feat. I'm not sure if anyone below Xavier could do it.

Well, no. I'm not arguing someone like Elektra could just TP Z fighters or anything like that - I am going in with high end telepaths.

But IF he were to use his TP (and was able to) - the view seems to be that he would win.

I noted that carver ran from my WW using her speed.

Originally posted by carver9
If Blue Marvel isnt careful, the fight could probably go like this...

https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/superman-vs-wonder-woman-darkseid-war-1.jpg
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/superman-vs-wonder-woman-darkseid-war-2.jpg
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/superman-vs-wonder-woman-darkseid-war-3.jpg
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/superman-vs-wonder-woman-darkseid-war-4.jpg

And that's her holding back.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Let's not talk about J'onn like he is this Uber telepath who just wins using his telepathy against everyone.

And keeping a mental link with every human on planet is a hell of a feat. I'm not sure if anyone below Xavier could do it.

Abhi:

Martian Manhunter is an Uber Telepath who could beat just about anyone.

He gets criminally underrated here on KMC, but the truth is he's one of the top tier telepaths in comic books, period. Everything he did in the Furnus the Burning arc, regular J'ohn can do.

Originally posted by Classic NES
Z fighters have TP. It's pretty obvious that they are just resistant. It has nothing to do with evil-hearted characters, that's just something you made up.

No, the manga made it up.

He controlled Dabura, through the evil in his soul. He attempted to control Vegeta, based on the belief he was evil.

Learn to read.

Originally posted by cdtm
No, the manga made it up.

He controlled Dabura, through the evil in his soul. He attempted to control Vegeta, based on the belief he was evil.

Learn to read.

We're talking about blowing heads up. You're reading comp is very bad.

Originally posted by Classic NES
We're talking about blowing heads up. You're reading comp is very bad.

Originally posted by Classic NES
Z fighters have TP. It's pretty obvious that they are just resistant. It has nothing to do with evil-hearted characters, that's just something you made up.

Originally posted by cdtm
No, the manga made it up.

He controlled Dabura, through the evil in his soul. He attempted to control Vegeta, based on the belief he was evil.

Learn to read.

Is this a Carver sock?

Same reading comprehension skills.

Originally posted by cdtm
Abhi:

Martian Manhunter [b]is an Uber Telepath who could beat just about anyone.

He gets criminally underrated here on KMC, but the truth is he's one of the top tier telepaths in comic books, period. Everything he did in the Furnus the Burning arc, regular J'ohn can do. [/B]

Every dog gets a day in the sun. Fernus is ancient history, never referenced (Martian history has been retconned like a dozen times after that) and is about as relevant as your existence on this forum.

The list of people who have beaten J'onn TP is more than characters in DBZ.

Wait is he blowing it up with TP or TK?

Originally posted by cdtm
Is this a Carver sock?

Same reading comprehension skills.

What are you babbling about? You said they need to be evil to be affected by TP. I post a scan showing him blowing someone's head off with TP. Where the eff did you see anything about the victim being evil outside of you lying and claiming he was babidi lackey or that his eyebrows was an "M"?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wait is he blowing it up with TP or TK?

It's TP, babidi hasn't shown TK.

Originally posted by Classic NES
What are you babbling about? You said they need to be evil to be affected by TP. I post a scan showing him blowing someone's head off with TP. Where the eff did you see anything about the victim being evil outside of you lying and claiming he was babidi lackey or that his eyebrows was an "M"?

I know this is a difficult concept for carver level intellects to grasp, but please try and follow along.

There is context to this assumption.

Yeah. Context. Meaning you need to think critically, and actually understand more then pretty pictures and big numbers.

It couldn't be made more clear. Babidi didn't target Goku. He did not target Gohan. He went after Vegeta.

Because he is evil. He says this. Kaio-Shin says this..

This scene proves Babidi's powers affect evil minds.

Therefore, using the power of context, we can infer the announcer who got his head blown up had an evil mind.

Oh my God, once again we are not talking about him using his powers to enslave people. But blowing people's heads off. You claim they need to be evil to blow people's heads off. That is an obvious lie since he did it to a bystander. Please grow a goddamn brain.

Originally posted by cdtm

This scene proves Babidi's powers affect evil minds.

Therefore, using the power of context, we can infer the announcer who got his head blown up had an evil mind. [/B]

He used TP to project an image to every mind on earth. He affected their minds to be able to do that. Nowhere was it stated all his powers are contingent on his victims being evil. Only one ability had that prerequisite. You're just making shit up now.

Yes, Babadi can only possess someone who is inherently evil.

That is obviously not a prerequisite for his general TP, however, unless you think that every single person on DB earth(inc. all the Z Fighters) are 'evil'.

So because he can speak into any mind he chooses, you say he can blow up any mind he chooses.

That's what you call a "No limits fallacy."

The fact he, he had plenty of opportunities to blow up minds, and didn't. Piccolo being a prominent example.

Either he forgot he can blow up any minf he wants, or he simply can not blow up any mind he wants.

And since the announcer and his slaves are the only times its happened, I vote on the latter.

Originally posted by Galan007
Yes, Babadi can only possess someone who is inherently evil.

That is obviously not a prerequisite for his general TP, however, unless you think that every single person on DB earth(inc. all the Z Fighters) are 'evil'.

NES is arguing Babidi can blow up minds on command. Of anyone he wants, any time.

My argument is that there is no supporting evidence for this. He blew up spopovich's head, and the announcer, and never once tried this trick on the "good guys". Including Piccolo before he got cut in half.

Odds are, the mind enslavement and head destruction go hand in hand.

Originally posted by cdtm
So because he can speak into any mind he chooses, you say he can blow up any mind he chooses.

No, that's not what's being said at all. I never stated or even implied that he can blow up any mind he wanted. I stated he has TP which he can use to blow up and destroy the minds of people without resistance to TP i.e., not the Z fighters.

Originally posted by cdtm

That's what you call a "No limits fallacy."

The fact he, he had plenty of opportunities to blow up minds, and didn't. Piccolo being a prominent example.

It's not a no limits fallacy for someone who hasn't shown resistance to something to be susceptible to that said something. Piccolo has TP all the Z fighters do. So, it doesn't matter if he didn't do it to piccolo.

Originally posted by cdtm

Either he forgot he can blow up any minf he wants, or he simply [b]can not blow up any mind he wants.

And since the announcer and his slaves are the only times its happened, I vote on the latter. [/B]

Or the third option, he can't blow him up people's heads who have TP. Which Piccolo has and displayed multiple minds and thus isn't as susceptible.

Originally posted by cdtm

Odds are, the mind enslavement and head destruction go hand in hand. [/B]

Odds are you're talking out your arse lad. It's never been shown, stated or implied that there needs to be evil in the recipient's heart for his TP to work. That's pure fanfiction on your part.

Originally posted by Classic NES
No, that's not what's being said at all. I never stated or even implied that he can blow up any mind he wanted. I stated he has TP which he can use to blow up and destroy the minds of people without resistance to TP i.e., not the Z fighters.

It's not a no limits fallacy for someone who hasn't shown resistance to something to be susceptible to that said something. Piccolo has TP all the Z fighters do. So, it doesn't matter if he didn't do it to piccolo.

Or the third option, he can't blow him up people's heads who have TP. Which Piccolo has and displayed multiple minds and thus isn't as susceptible.

There's absolutely no evidence of this. You are making stuff up.

It's on you to prove it.

Originally posted by cdtm
There's absolutely no evidence of this. You are making stuff up.

It's on you to prove it.

Okay, here's Piccolo using TP to communicate with Gohan while having his life drained by the android

Here's Piccolo using TP to communicate to Goten and Trunk while they're in another dimension (Room of Spirit and Time)

Here's Piccolo reading Kami's mind

The fact they have TP is a given.

Prove they can shield their minds from TP.

This isn't comics. Psychic defenses are not a given.

And you do realize even if you can prove this, you also need to prove Piccolo, Goku, Gohan, or ANYONE was attempting to block their minds from Babidi.

Originally posted by cdtm
Abhi:

Martian Manhunter [b]is an Uber Telepath who could beat just about anyone.

He gets criminally underrated here on KMC, but the truth is he's one of the top tier telepaths in comic books, period. Everything he did in the Furnus the Burning arc, regular J'ohn can do. [/B]

But he's not fast enough to get blitzed by the high tiers in DBS

Back in the BoG Saga, Beerus reacting to and nullifying the explosion of the first extremely dense combined Ki ball meant stopping energy that was going to expand across and obliterate all of Universe 7 in a second.

he reacted to it so fast that it couldn't even destroy the immediately nearby (Earth), despite them being in its stratosphere. He prevented the explosion from expanding any further than that, despite its ability to engulf Universe 7 in a second

Originally posted by cdtm
The fact they have TP is a given.

Prove they can [b]shield their minds from TP.

This isn't comics. Psychic defenses are not a given.

And you do realize even if you can prove this, you also need to prove Piccolo, Goku, Gohan, or ANYONE was attempting to block their minds from Babidi. [/B]

Gohan wasn't even on earth when he did this. Babidi used boo to kill him and supreme kai took him to his world. Did you read the boo arc CDTM?

Also, why would they block their minds if they're listening in on his broadcast? Did you read the arc?