Originally posted by SquallX
That’s another thing I don’t understand. How the **** can Roshi be this powerful? The man hasn’t been relevant since the Jr saga.
Junior?
Since the King Piccolo saga, you mean.
And he only mattered there because of the Mafuba technique.
Toriyama missed him and decided to bring him back in the laziest way possible - he was training in secret, completely off-panel and somehow nobody figured it out till the RoF arc.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Overall character and baddie kill count.
You're just jealous that he got to bang 18.ha-som
Gohan was supposed to be like anakin. The chosen one. Fail. He's a joke. Story potential dead. Trunks is from a dystopian future. Great story potential. If it weren't for Goku black arc, it's mostly wasted. Vegeta should be a great foil to Goku. Make it more competitive. Nope. Let's just second string him forever and make him a jealous silver medal Z fighter forever. No development. Most characters either never change or they set up great potentials for them then sideline them for Goku to shine.
Actually, come to think of it, Vegeta and the Androids are probably the only characters noticably different from their original iteration. That's kinda sad
Originally posted by Galan007
Gohan stalemated Kefla for an entire chapter, and then eliminated her(along with himself.) Like cd said: Kale alone was SSB-level. The Potara would have boosted Kefla's power "tens of times" above that....but I think that's like his only feat in the manga lol.
Their manga potara fusion didn't work like that tho, kefla basically got Kale's power with caulifa's mind, for some reason that's how her fusion was said to be in the manga
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Junior?Since the King Piccolo saga, you mean.
And he only mattered there because of the Mafuba technique.
Toriyama missed him and decided to bring him back in the laziest way possible - he was training in secret, completely off-panel and somehow nobody figured it out till the RoF arc.
That was anime. Manga Roshie straight up bitched a Pride Trooper and tossed him out. Android 17 was impressed, which is hilarious given their power levels.
Which was still like a speck of dust compared to everyone else, as the trooper even measured Roshie was a scouter and went "WTF??! How are you doing so good?!" along with the rest of us.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvilWow! What an obvious troll post! Do better!
Gohan was supposed to be like anakin. The chosen one. Fail. He's a joke. Story potential dead. Trunks is from a dystopian future. Great story potential. If it weren't for Goku black arc, it's mostly wasted. Vegeta should be a great foil to Goku. Make it more competitive. Nope. Let's just second string him forever and make him a jealous silver medal Z fighter forever. No development. Most characters either never change or they set up great potentials for them then sideline them for Goku to shine.Actually, come to think of it, Vegeta and the Androids are probably the only characters noticably different from their original iteration. That's kinda sad
Originally posted by Genii96Plus Kale was beaten to near death when they fused too. Either way Gohan has been training since ROF in the Manga which is a couple years. In the anime he wasn't training, then he was, then it backtracked and confirmed he wasn't again. Then it had him go from under Piccolo level to fighting Goku in a day, so that's really cool and consistent.
Their manga potara fusion didn't work like that tho, kefla basically got Kale's power with caulifa's mind, for some reason that's how her fusion was said to be in the manga
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Plus Kale was beaten to near death when they fused too. Either way Gohan has been training since ROF in the Manga which is a couple years. In the anime he wasn't training, then he was, then it backtracked and confirmed he wasn't again. Then it had him go from under Piccolo level to fighting Goku in a day, so that's really cool and consistent.
Kale was actually burning herself out, and less beaten down.
But Kefla stated she was stronger then either of them alone. And Whis himself claimed she should be the best warrior on the field.
If that Kale's issues were a problem, someone would have noticed it.
As to Gohan's training, Piccolo claims he merely "awakened." He outright said all his improvements happened during the tournament.
Meaning he went from Mystic to SSJ Blue in literally under a half hour.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Junior?Since the King Piccolo saga, you mean.
And he only mattered there because of the Mafuba technique.
Toriyama missed him and decided to bring him back in the laziest way possible - he was training in secret, completely off-panel and somehow nobody figured it out till the RoF arc.
I meant the 23rd tournament or the Junior Saga. Though Roshi was no longer powerful enough to content with Jr. or Goku, he was still a powerful fighter that was a threat to everyone else minus those 2.
Originally posted by cdtmSo Kale was actually unconscious and "burning herself" out when they fused and you need to take a senzu if you're weakened because Potara doesn't fix it. Great correction.
Kale was actually burning herself out, and less beaten down.But Kefla stated she was stronger then either of them alone. And Whis himself claimed she should be the best warrior on the field.
If that Kale's issues were a problem, someone would have noticed it.
As to Gohan's training, Piccolo claims he merely "awakened." He outright said all his improvements happened [b]during the tournament.
Meaning he went from Mystic to SSJ Blue in literally under a half hour. [/B]
I didn't say Kefla wasn't stronger, I said Kale was in rough shape and she was confirmed to be losing power long before she got put to sleep. It's hard go say how powerful Kefla was because of that factor. Especially considering Gohan was still below Goku and Vegeta.
He awakened his Mystic Form, trained for a bit and fought Goku before the tournament.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
So Kale was actually unconscious and "burning herself" out when they fused and you need to take a senzu if you're weakened because Potara doesn't fix it. Great correction.I didn't say Kefla wasn't stronger, I said Kale was in rough shape and she was confirmed to be losing power long before she got put to sleep. It's hard go say how powerful Kefla was because of that factor. Especially considering Gohan was still below Goku and Vegeta.
He awakened his Mystic Form, trained for a bit and fought Goku before the tournament.
During. 😛
And fusions seem to negate battle damage all the time, like transformations. Did Goku and Vegeta even heal up in Broly?
Originally posted by SquallX
I meant the 23rd tournament or the Junior Saga. Though Roshi was no longer powerful enough to content with Jr. or Goku, he was still a powerful fighter that was a threat to everyone else minus those 2.
Not really. He retired a tournament before that.
He was already surpassed by other humans, for fuck's sake. Get your facts straight.
Originally posted by cdtmThat's a fair point actually.
And fusions seem to negate battle damage all the time, like transformations. Did Goku and Vegeta even heal up in Broly?
Goku definitely wouldn't have been at full power when he did the fusion dance, but it wasn't implied that Gogeta was weaker because of this.
Originally posted by cdtmSense of battle isn't battle power. And he was able to match her at the very beginning.[B]During
. 😛And fusions seem to negate battle damage all the time, like transformations. Did Goku and Vegeta even heal up in Broly? [/B]
He was also training in the gravity room since before Zamasu, and iirc he was training after ROF.
https://m.imgur.com/r/dbz/lg0BW
They had an hour to do nothing and they weren't that damaged to begin with. Goten and Trunks had to rest up before their fight with Super Buu and like I said, senzu beans were used for Vegito.
https://i.imgur.com/jawC0oR.png
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Bran hit me up on where I can read and watch all DBS for free please mate.
https://www.mangareader.net/dragon-ball-super/1
I downloaded the anime through really gay means and lost the original link. If Abhi watched the whole thing he's probably got a better way.
