!!!The Official Dragon Ball vs. Comics Thread!!!

Originally posted by Galan007
Scaling is a lot more cut and dry in DB, thanks to the same guy writing/supervising the series since it's inception 30+ years ago. For example, we know it requires a minimum PL of 18,000 to destroy the earth. Thus, in the world of DB, any character with a PL of at least 18k who is capable of firing larger-scale ki blasts, would be capable of destroying the earth.

So even though Ginyu, for example, never destroyed a world on panel, we still know that he was absolutely capable of doing so(with ease), because his PL was 120,000. IOW, Ginyu doesn't actually need to destroy a planet for us to know that he undoubtedly can.

Western comics, however, tend to be a bit more muddled, due to the characters being written by different people(who do whatever they want with abilities) every other week... So claims about what a character can/can't do often require more evidence to definitively substantiate.

So, for example, without a single shred of evidence that show.. cell can actually destroy the Solar Sytem that makes Gohan that level because of a statement?

But DC or even marvel characters can't have that because it has to be a feat? Thats kinda bias

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
So, for example, without a single shred of evidence that show.. cell can actually destroy the Solar Sytem that makes Gohan that level because of a statement?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
But DC or even marvel characters can't have that because it has to be a feat? Thats kinda bias

You could also argue that you shouldn't have to rely on statements for the Hulk, because unlike Cell he has an extensive publication history. Whereas Cell appeared for what, three issues? One, if you limit it to Perfect Cell?

Originally posted by Astner
It's up to interpretation. The main problem with this particular case is that there's no statement or feat that contradicts it. So it's not inconsistent.

What scenes are you referring to? Because certain statements are credible, some are instances of creative licence, and others are contradicted by the character's portrayal.

You could also argue that you shouldn't have to rely on statements for the Hulk, because unlike Cell he has an extensive publication history. Whereas Cell appeared for what, three issues? One, if you limit it to Perfect Cell?

guys like Hulk, Thor, main heralds of Marvel/DC

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
So, for example, without a single shred of evidence that show.. cell can actually destroy the Solar Sytem that makes Gohan that level because of a statement?

Therefore, yes. Any character with SPC-level power is indeed a potential solar system buster.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
But DC or even marvel characters can't have that because it has to be a feat? Thats kinda bias

If 'Joe' has destroyed a planet on panel with an energy blast or somesuch, and 'John' tanks an all-out attack from Joe --or if John fires off an energy attack of his own that matches Joe's attack-- then we can infer that John possesses planet-level durability, and/or planet-level energy output... Even if John himself has never personally destroyed a planet on panel.

Logical power-scaling is obviously a thing in comics as well.

Another difference is that we know in Dragon Ball that Power, Speed and Durability are all correlated, so for this not to be the case, it has to explicitly be stated otherwise. Meanwhile in comics, it would need to be stated that they are correlated, as they don't all share a similar power source.

Outliers also don't exist in Dragon Ball the same way they do in Comics, as you have things like Ki Control to explain lower feats when they're not going all out. On top of that, because there are fewer writers, things will be far more linear, although that doesn't mean it's far less confusing.

I've also noticed that things like statements and guidebooks are usually taken more seriously in something like Dragon Ball, although they're not irrelevant in comics either. I also see calcs more for Anime/Manga, but I don't even think it should be that way in the first place personally.

Bull. We don't just assume all stats are affected equally across the board, when there are too many examples of weaker characters keeping up just fine with stronger ones. Krillin had no problems with speed sparring Gohan in Super, for example, even earning a ring out victory.

Okay, that can be one exception. But, when Goku fights Frieza, Vegeta, Jiren, etc we say that he's a similar speed as well. As well as that, do you not remember Vegeta's statement that if Power increases, so does Speed?

Be careful. He clings to that Krillin showing.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
So, for example, without a single shred of evidence that show.. cell can actually destroy the Solar Sytem that makes Gohan that level because of a statement?

But DC or even marvel characters can't have that because it has to be a feat? Thats kinda bias

Can Super Saiyan 3 Goku destroy a planet? He doesnt have the fts so can he? What about a continent? City?

Originally posted by cdtm
Bull. We don't just assume all stats are affected equally across the board, when there are too many examples of weaker characters keeping up just fine with stronger ones. Krillin had no problems with speed sparring Gohan in Super, for example, even earning a ring out victory.

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Can Superman strongest punch knockout Zeno? 🤔🤔

-Zeno guards threaten to kill Lois
-no sundip
*outliers/high end feats are allowed*

With Superman's ridiculous Outliers, probably tbh.

Consistently, no way in hell, but with Outliers, he breaks Space and Time, cracks the Source Wall, threatens to destroy the Phantom Zone, splits Soulfire Darkseid (albeit when he was off guard), defeating his own Death, performing feats supposedly Trigon-level... it's pretty ridiculous.

At the same time though, Zeno can casually destroy the 12 Universes, but he's not a smart fighter, so idk if he can correctly apply that to a fight.

If SBP really did beath TBWL as it appears and it's not some plot to break his heart from the TBWL which I think it could be... Let's take it at face value, how does he do against UI Goku!

Gonna merge this with the DB thread, Whirly.

Originally posted by Galan007
Gonna merge this with the DB thread, Whirly.

No worries.

As for the battle: if Prime connects, Goku and the entire DB multiverse would be f*cked.

Originally posted by Galan007
No worries.

As for the battle: if Prime connects, Goku and the entire DB multiverse would be f*cked.

Base Goku Vs Thing who wins?

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
My thoughts, unless it is all some kind of trick from the batman who laughs, which I think it could be.

SBP has a good track record of like things. He tossed Anti Monitor across the universe in SCW, and beat the crap out of Mxy (People wil say he had help from an alt Zatanna, but these people ignore the fact Superboy Prime would need to kidnap and force a being who can challenge 5d imp power to do his bidding, so is kind of a win-win feat for Superboy Prime)

CDTM, you said standard Ironman can beat Super Saiyan 3 Goku. I feel certain you think Prime could breath on Zeno and kill him.