Psykos cut a huge section of Earth with a beam in the manga. Not Earth razing but still neat.
I apologize for the pic but I couldn't find one without the autistic calculations. I just wanted one with it overlapped on Earth. 🙁
https://i.imgur.com/lw2RdC6.jpg
I didn't read the pic but you can if you want. Carver.
So the Dragon transformed Granolah into "the strongest life-form in the universe, apart from the Gods themselves.":
https://ibb.co/C7TYVX0
https://ibb.co/2YbgDFK
Aside from that, Whis stated that Goku and Vegeta were the strongest beings in the universe that he was currently aware of:
https://ibb.co/qRzP8fG
This indicates that Beerus > Granolah > current UI Goku ~ Angel Moro >> Moro73 >> current SSB Vegeta > Broly > Jiren, etc.
Of course, the scaling is sure to change by the end of this arc, as Goku/Vegeta will almost certainly transcend the level of Granolah, but still... It's bananas.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Granolah just had 150 years of latent potential multiplied so I would hope he’d be closer to Beerus than Vegeta.
Why?
Base Granola didn't seem so powerful. High end human level at best.
150 Krillin's should be way less then Beerus.
150 Android 18's should be way less then Beerus.
Originally posted by Galan007
So the Dragon transformed Granolah into "the strongest life-form in the universe, apart from the Gods themselves.":
https://ibb.co/C7TYVX0
https://ibb.co/2YbgDFKAside from that, Whis stated that Goku and Vegeta were the strongest beings in the universe that he was currently aware of:
https://ibb.co/qRzP8fGThis indicates that Beerus > Granolah > current UI Goku ~ Angel Moro >> Moro73 >> current SSB Vegeta > Broly > Jiren, etc.
Of course, the scaling is sure to change by the end of this arc, as Goku/Vegeta will almost certainly transcend the level of Granolah, but still... It's bananas.
Originally posted by Galan007
So the Dragon transformed Granolah into "the strongest life-form in the universe, apart from the Gods themselves.":
https://ibb.co/C7TYVX0
https://ibb.co/2YbgDFKAside from that, Whis stated that Goku and Vegeta were the strongest beings in the universe that he was currently aware of:
https://ibb.co/qRzP8fGThis indicates that Beerus > Granolah > current UI Goku ~ Angel Moro >> Moro73 >> current SSB Vegeta > Broly > Jiren, etc.
Of course, the scaling is sure to change by the end of this arc, as Goku/Vegeta will almost certainly transcend the level of Granolah, but still... It's bananas.
whats special about current SSB vegeta that hes above broly and jiren?
👆
The events of the Broly film are still canon in the manga:
https://ibb.co/rdVgZrm
https://ibb.co/3hZZmpj
And Whis stated that he wasn't aware of any beings in the universe that were stronger than Goku and Vegeta.
So current SSB Vegeta > Broly.
This also scales Vegeta significantly above Jiren, because according to just about every piece of material released(I'm pretty sure it was all posted somewhere in this thread), Broly > Jiren.
Originally posted by Galan007
👆The events of the Broly film are still canon in the manga:
https://ibb.co/rdVgZrm
https://ibb.co/3hZZmpjAnd Whis stated that he wasn't aware of any beings in the universe that were stronger than Goku and Vegeta.
So current SSB Vegeta > Broly.
This also scales Vegeta significantly above Jiren, because according to just about every piece of material released(I'm pretty sure it was all posted somewhere in this thread), Broly > Jiren.
Honestly I didn't catch where they said he was more powerful than anybody in particular, it was said granola was as powerful as he would ever get in the amount of years he sacrificed? We don't know exactly how powerful that is.
Originally posted by carver9I'm obviously talking about Jiren as of the ToP, given that we haven't seen him since then.
Jiren isn't in their Universe though and I'm sure him and Hit has been training. So that statement holds no weight.
Point being: multiple sources state that Broly was the most powerful being the Z fighters had encountered up to that point(which scales Broly above Jiren), and as of this arc, Goku/Vegeta are the two most powerful beings in U7 that Whis was aware of.
So again: current Vegeta > Broly > Jiren (ToP)... And current Goku is astronomically more powerful than Vegeta, Granolah is more powerful than Goku to *some* unknown degree, Beerus is evidently more powerful than Granolah, etc.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvilGranolah's wish was to become the strongest life-form in the universe(apart from the Gods), and the Dragon was able to make that happen by multiplying his power and shortening his lifespan.
Honestly I didn't catch where they said he was more powerful than anybody in particular, it was said granola was as powerful as he would ever get in the amount of years he sacrificed? We don't know exactly how powerful that is.
So Granolah is indeed stronger than Goku and Vegeta right now. What Granolah didn't consider when making said wish, however, was this:
...So by the end of the arc, I'm sure the Saiyans will surpass him.
I'm just curious to see how current Goku/Vegeta compare to Granolah, because that will give us a decent indication of how they'd do against Beerus. As I mentioned, Granolah was only transformed into the strongest being in the universe "apart from the Gods themselves", which heavily implies that Beerus(a God) is still more powerful than him.
It's actually pretty hysterical how powerful they are making Beerus.
Originally posted by Galan007
I'm obviously talking about Jiren as of the ToP, given that we haven't seen him since then.Point being: multiple sources state that Broly was the most powerful being the Z fighters had encountered up to that point(which scales Broly above Jiren), and as of this arc, Goku/Vegeta are the two most powerful beings in U7 that Whis was aware of.
So again: current Vegeta > Broly > Jiren (ToP)... And current Goku is astronomically more powerful than Vegeta, Granolah is more powerful than Goku to *some* unknown degree, Beerus is evidently more powerful than Granolah, etc.
Granolah's wish was to become the strongest life-form in the universe(apart from the Gods), and the Dragon was able to make that happen by multiplying his power and shortening his lifespan.
So Granolah is indeed stronger than Goku and Vegeta right now. What Granolah didn't consider when making said wish, however, was this:
...So by the end of the arc, I'm sure the Saiyans will surpass him.
I'm just curious to see how current Goku/Vegeta compare to Granolah, because that will give us a decent indication of how they'd do against Beerus. As I mentioned, Granolah was only transformed into the strongest being in the universe "apart from the Gods themselves", which heavily implies that Beerus(a God) is still more powerful than him.
It's actually pretty hysterical how powerful they are making Beerus.
meh He was only granted HIS particular Potential level, doesn't mean he's more powerful then Either Goku or Vegeta. Unless you Can prove HIS SPECIFIC Potential is greater then the level they at currently.
