Originally posted by The Found
Yeah, hence why Granolah had to sacrifice his years. It wasn't just the dragon's power; there was a sacrifice.
To condense his power.
In effect, he replaced currenf Granolah with future Granolah. That's why he only has 3 years to live, his entire lifetime is condensed into the present.
Nothing else was added. This is equivilent to Granolah who trained for 150 years.
So was thinking, if Vegeta got his wish for immortality, that would be it for his training.
Immortal beings don't really take damage, they just instantly regenerate like Majin Buu. That means no more Zenkai's. Even normal training relies on destroying muscles and rebuilding them stronger, immortality regen seems to only restore them to what they were.
Immortality would have been a curse for Vegeta when he realized no amount of training would level him up.
Originally posted by cdtmThe way the dragon phrases it is more conducive to the initial way we interpreted it rather than the way that guy on quora did.
To condense his power.In effect, he replaced currenf Granolah with future Granolah. That's why he only has 3 years to live, his entire lifetime is condensed into the present.
Nothing else was added. This is equivilent to Granolah who trained for 150 years.
"his entire lifetime is condensed into the present." - That's just not what the dragon said. He said the power that could have been acquired over that life time is what is being condensed. The condition is that he sacrifice his remaining life years.
"condensing any and all power you could have accumulated in your life time" - it kind of speaks for itself.
Originally posted by cdtmBecause in the latter, "any and all power" "accumulated in your life time" isn't being condensed. The only thing that could be said to have been condensed is the 147 years of training and the power that results from that. And honestly that's just weird because condensing hypothetical training is a very strange way to phrase it. It would be much more natural to say "I can condense all the training you could have done in your lifetime in exchange for your life years" or something.
How is that any different? Condensing the power in your lifetime = your power level after a lifetime of training and upgrades.Sounds like the dragon gave him a lifes work to me, at the expense of the life having been spent now, instead of in 150 years.
I could be wrong, that's just how it reads to me. Also it's what makes more sense to me because as you said, Roshi should be a freak if that's how it worked.
I don't see the problem either way. /shrug
Even if the Dragon just unlocked all of Granolah's personal latent potential, it just speaks to the gargantuan amount of potential Granolah has... Wouldn't exactly be the first time a character with ungodly potential has randomly appeared in DBS(*looks at Freeza, Broly, and Oob for starters*.)
Likewise, Granolah's latent potential was evidently sufficient to make him the strongest being in the universe [currently]... But it's a level he could have never achieved without the Dragon's esoteric shenanigans.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Gohan had all his hidden potential unlocked twice and he's garbage with his cheat codes.Vegeta or Goku doing the same would put him to shame.
Potential just means you get stronger easier. The initial boost is like the back payments, but you can still grow your accounts with future installments.
I think the Granolah thing is more like winning the lottery, then taking the lump sum payments now. If all the dragon did was unlock his potential, he'd only get so much stronger in the present, but the Dragon cheated by giving him an the lump sum of his lifes worth of potential.
Which still wouldn't make any sense, given Roshi and all, but I think that's where Toriyama was going.
Originally posted by One Big MobGohan's potential being give lip service is like casting Perry White as Laurence Fishburne.
Gohan had all his hidden potential unlocked twice and he's garbage with his cheat codes.Vegeta or Goku doing the same would put him to shame.
Useless, but it keeps some people happy.
The Z force vs Allen the Aliien and the Coalition of Planets.
NOT a straight fight. The Coalition wants to EXTERMINATE the Saiyans. They are willing to wipe out all life to do it. The Saiyans have no idea they are coming.
Essentially, this is the same scenerio as when Allen reluctantly wanted to end the Viltrumite threat, at any cost.
I know a lot of you will say the Coalition gets wiped out, but think about it. The inability to breath in space is a pretty serious handicap. The Coalition simply does not NEED to engage them in combat.
They just need to kill them.