!!!The Official Dragon Ball vs. Comics Thread!!!

Started by abhilegend298 pages

Originally posted by carver9
He snuck attack Goku and Goku already mentioned that his MIU transformation is incomplete due to his lack of training. Granola admitted he was only successful due to his copy fighting Goku which weakened the transformation. Stay away from DB Mangas, PLEASE. I already have to debate with you about Superman. Now you've decided to come into the Manga realm. Sigh

I'm not sure what you read but it's ****ing insane how idiotic you are.

Goku says he hasn't used ultra instinct at full power yet.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VzBn3wVPs4Q/YM_20Th-35I/AAAAAAAAEno/8vN54UeTOugLSwIpKfUHJ7_nNcwAdxJOgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1125/0073-025.png

Then he uses it which is "Perfected Ultra Instinct" which he can't use for long.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lnTDcyUvmz8/YM_21CE_wcI/AAAAAAAAEns/hCps3SszyNsBe4sZgK60QnrrxJnxk6BKgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1125/0073-026.png

The lack of training was for SSJ+Ultra Instinct, not SSB+Ultra Instinct.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rXyBaDONuOQ/YM_2w--nnVI/AAAAAAAAEnQ/wwK1m8YjofIbOrsKTtDE0um4n2zz_X0FwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1125/0073-019.png

That's why when Goku used it at full power Granolah couldn't find any weak points. Take your Jiren fanboyism and shove it.

Originally posted by carver9
He snuck attack Goku and Goku already mentioned that his MIU transformation is incomplete due to his lack of training. Granola admitted he was only successful due to his copy fighting Goku which weakened the transformation. Stay away from DB Mangas, PLEASE. I already have to debate with you about Superman. Now you've decided to come into the Manga realm. Sigh

I'm better than you in any field I choose.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm not sure what's with the jiren fanboys, DBS isn't that hard to understand lol.
Jiren's power as of the ToP has become completely insignificant at this point.

Exactly, he is as significant as Yamcha now.

It'll be revealed that he trained in secret to keep up... just wait... 😂

Oh I'm positive Jiren has been training since the ToP. Would be completely ooc for him to just go stagnant after a defeat.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It'll be revealed that he trained in secret to keep up... just wait... 😂

I don't think Jiren will appear again.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Exactly, he is as significant as Yamcha now.

And so is MUI, apparently.

Super Shenron https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/scale_super/11133/111339903/6787607-sdsdcxcxc.jpg

Vs

IG Thanos

Despotellis vs Goku.

Considering his chi didn't destroy the heart virus, I don't like his chances.

Originally posted by Damborgson
And Granola being able to casually one piece MUI Goku while explicitly being weaker than the God's lol...Beerus is at the top of that food chain, Granola is weaker than Sidra and Goku was child's play.

Sidra isn't part of his universe, Granola's wish was to the strongest in the universe and the dragon specified he would be stronger than anyone in his universe as from the gods. So he is weaker than Beerus and Whis, none of the other GoDs are included.

Originally posted by Genii96
Sidra isn't part of his universe, Granola's wish was to the strongest in the universe and the dragon specified he would be stronger than anyone in his universe as from the gods. So he is weaker than Beerus and Whis, none of the other GoDs are included.
idk man, Granola should be well above MUI Moro and Beerus because Jiren was stronger than a God and I've never seen Moro, who had much more energy than Jiren, lay a finger on MUI and Beerus didn't have the technique down whereas Granola seemed to.

Secret about MUI is it is actually a mix of SSG and Berserker/Wrathful (base oozaru). Vegeta was shown to have green hair when he changed into an SSJ in the newest movie so, it's definitely the reason why he surpassed ssj3 in the first super movie. It's also probably the secret of Gohan's mystic form. Goku and Gohan, unlike Vegeta lose control when tapping into Oozaru so that should modify SSG just the right amount to give the same effect as the Angelic Technique only for Goku not Vegeta who has more control over Oozaru (notice he remained in control as an Oozaru)

Originally posted by Genii96
Sidra isn't part of his universe, Granola's wish was to the strongest in the universe and the dragon specified he would be stronger than anyone in his universe as from the gods. So he is weaker than Beerus and Whis, none of the other GoDs are included.

That makes sense.

Originally posted by Mariland
idk man, Granola should be well above MUI Moro and Beerus because Jiren was stronger than a God and I've never seen Moro, who had much more energy than Jiren, lay a finger on MUI and Beerus didn't have the technique down whereas Granola seemed to.

Secret about MUI is it is actually a mix of SSG and Berserker/Wrathful (base oozaru). Vegeta was shown to have green hair when he changed into an SSJ in the newest movie so, it's definitely the reason why he surpassed ssj3 in the first super movie. It's also probably the secret of Gohan's mystic form. Goku and Gohan, unlike Vegeta lose control when tapping into Oozaru so that should modify SSG just the right amount to give the same effect as the Angelic Technique only for Goku not Vegeta who has more control over Oozaru (notice he remained in control as an Oozaru)


Jiren being stronger than a God is apocryphal now, the Gods power levels has been retconned multiple times now.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Jiren being stronger than a God is apocryphal now, the Gods power levels has been retconned multiple times now.
This is the most likely answer. Retconning the whole "Jiren > Belmond" thing is no different than retconning the whole "it took 70% of Beerus' power to defeat n00b-SSG Goku during BoG" thing.

That said, the manga did specify that Jiren was only stronger than Belmond "based on combat skill alone":

...And combat skill =/= battle power. So I suppose Jiren could be a better technical fighter than Belmond, yet still have a vastly inferior power level. /shrug

But like I said: a retcon seems far more likely at this point.

There was also Whis mentioning a rumor that a mortal is stronger then a GoD, and looking at Jiren saying that rumor appears to he correct. He wasn't just talking combat skill there.

Granola still hasn't proven he is faster than Jiren. Jiren moves faster than time stop...

https://m.imgur.com/a/bzUcNd3

Even Dypso is highly impressed with his speed and Dypso is far faster than light...

https://i.imgur.com/wUO728m.jpg

Outpace instant transmission...

https://i.imgur.com/uN4xKzZ.png

I have to catch up, haven't read the last two months or so.

Originally posted by Philosophía
I have to catch up, haven't read the last two months or so.

A super weak Dragon can somehow make someone the most powerful in the universe. Something about "condensing all the power you could have accumulated in your lifetime" and reducing his life from 150 years to like 4.

He easily beat MUI Goku. Any way you look at it, nothing about this arc makes sense, even by Dragon Ball standards.

Originally posted by cdtm
There was also Whis mentioning a rumor that a mortal is stronger then a GoD, and looking at Jiren saying that rumor appears to he correct. He wasn't just talking combat skill there.
That's one of the reasons why I said a retcon is more likely. Jiren was never really stronger than Belmond... Just like it never really required 70% of Beerus' power to defeat n00b-SSG Goku... Or just like RoF-era SSB Goku/Vegeta could have never really teamed-up and beat Beerus, like Whis implied. etc.

...Unless Belmond is just THAT far below Beerus, for some strange reason.

In that case the scaling would look something like:
Beerus > Granolah > current MUI Goku ~ Angel-Moro > Moro-73 > current SSB Vegeta(pre-Beerus training) > Broly ~/> n00b-MUI Goku(ToP) > Jiren > Belmond.

But I doubt the intent here is to diminish the power of every Destroyer aside from Beerus, given that Beerus said "US Gods of Destruction"(plural) when he first mentioned this super-secret Destroyer technique, which evidently rivals the Angels' UI:
https://ibb.co/1nMFYTq

That said, I would assume the current intent is for ALL Destroyers to be around Beerus-level, which would subsequently mean that ALL of them(inc. Belmond) could ragdoll Jiren endlessly.

Originally posted by carver9
Granola still hasn't proven he is faster than Jiren. Jiren moves faster than time stop...

https://m.imgur.com/a/bzUcNd3

Even Dypso is highly impressed with his speed and Dypso is far faster than light...

https://i.imgur.com/wUO728m.jpg

Outpace instant transmission...

https://i.imgur.com/uN4xKzZ.png

Jiren was beat down by a n00b-MUI Goku, whose power/stamina was massively diminished before he ever even transformed.

Do you honestly think Granolah would struggle at all with that same, depleted, n00b-MUI Goku, given that he is, by all accounts, superior to a vastly more powerful iteration of MUI Goku..?