Originally posted by Mariland
idk man, Granola should be well above MUI Moro and Beerus because Jiren was stronger than a God and I've never seen Moro, who had much more energy than Jiren, lay a finger on MUI and Beerus didn't have the technique down whereas Granola seemed to.Secret about MUI is it is actually a mix of SSG and Berserker/Wrathful (base oozaru). Vegeta was shown to have green hair when he changed into an SSJ in the newest movie so, it's definitely the reason why he surpassed ssj3 in the first super movie. It's also probably the secret of Gohan's mystic form. Goku and Gohan, unlike Vegeta lose control when tapping into Oozaru so that should modify SSG just the right amount to give the same effect as the Angelic Technique only for Goku not Vegeta who has more control over Oozaru (notice he remained in control as an Oozaru)
Jiren was confirmed stronger then Belmond, HIS GoD. Nothing to do with beerus and the others. Belmond got the shirt end of the stick when he was capped at ToP Jiren levels. Beerus' PL being retconned also doesn't apply to the other because he is the strongest GoD, none of them scale to him.
Originally posted by carver9thor and brb might be able to win if they bfr buu right away.
Cdtm, Kid Buu vs Thor and Beta Ray Bill, who is winning this? Also, if you choose the duo, please explain how they win.
without bfr, they obviously dont have a chance though. buu is a lot more powerful, and none of their offensive attacks would harm buu at all.
Originally posted by carver9
I think it would rip him apart but I also think he would reform. It took a special kind of attack to take Buu out.
Like what?
Buu’s regen is tied to his ki, and if you beat him enough that he’s tasked out, he can’t regen.
Mystic Gohan was beating the shit out of Buu so badly that Buu feared for his life.
Originally posted by SquallXThe problem with Boo is that he has borderline infinite stamina, and was only ever stated to have taken legitimate damage(to the point where his ki was affected) when he was fighting another Boo:
Like what?Buu’s regen is tied to his ki, and if you beat him enough that he’s tasked out, he can’t regen.
Mystic Gohan was beating the shit out of Buu so badly that Buu feared for his life.
Sans that, Boo simply regenerated from every attack the Z Fighters threw his way, without his ki/stamina being affected. IOW, if you cannot fully erase Boo at the atomic level in one go, he'll just regenerate back at full power.
Originally posted by carver9
@Squall...Buu was expecting Gohan, he wanted him to come and Gohan attacks still did nothing to permanently take Buu out and he was trying. Just blasting him does nothing.
Gohan was playing with Buu. Never once did Gohan ever took him seriously, and Buu was shittting himself knowing he would never win that fight.
If Buu’s regen and stamina is as limitless as some are alluding, he could have just let Gohan run out of steam. But no, what Buu did was to trick Gohan.
Buu did the same against Vegito as well.
Both Gohan and Vegito proved you can max his regen.
Neither Gohan or Vegito taxed Boo's regen/stamina. He regenerated from everything they threw at him, without his stamina(or ki) being touched. Yes, they were more powerful than Boo, but unless you one-shot destroy him, he'll just regen endlessly.
The *only* time it was stated that Boo's ki was actually dropping in that arc, is when he was fighting another Boo during the final battle. This implies that Goku/Vegeta hadn't seen Boo's ki deplete prior to that.
So there must be some intrinsic/esoteric quality that allows one Boo to actually damage another Boo, while no other character could.
Originally posted by cdtmRight, but he still regenerated from all the damage they caused, without taking a hit on his ki/stamina... That's my point.
Vegito wasn't trying to beat him though. And Gohan was just being Gohan, playing around like he did with Perfect Cell.Fat Buu ended up getting beaten down by original Buu.
Correct. That's... what I said? 😕