Originally posted by Philosophía
Let's try to scale it up from the beginning and move on to later.We need to start from a baseline.
For example.
Let's star with:
a). Master Roshi blowing up the moon with effort:
b). Piccolo blowing up the moon with a casual KI blast:
Weakest character/tier that can do it? Mid-herald?
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvilForced Spirit Fission itself probably wouldn't do anything to Superman, unless you're of the opinion that he is actually multiple Supermen wrapped up in one.
Would this method work (Vegeta's new ability) work on, say, Rebirth Superman, being that his body absorbs sunlight and or being a culmination of other versions of himself?
Originally posted by PhilosophíaYou also have to factor in the energy expenditure.
Let's try to scale it up from the beginning and move on to later.We need to start from a baseline.
For example.
Let's star with:
a). Master Roshi blowing up the moon with effort:
b). Piccolo blowing up the moon with a casual KI blast:
Weakest character/tier that can do it? Mid-herald?
It took every bit of power Roshi had(stuffed inside his most powerful blast) to moon-bust.
Flip side, Piccolo did it with a generic hand blast, and wasn't visibly drained afterward.
I think it would take a herald to do that at all... Never mind do it with very little effort. /shrug
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Would Thanos tank Vegeta's final flash against Cell?
This?
Lol... would either be jacked up tremendously or turned to dust.
edit due to Galan making a good point and this not applying.
Originally posted by Galan007👆
You also have to factor in the energy expenditure.It took every bit of power Roshi had(stuffed inside his most powerful blast) to moon-bust.
Flip side, Piccolo did it with a generic hand blast, and wasn't visibly drained afterward.
I think it would take a herald to do that at all... Never mind do it with very little effort. /shrug
I don't have the manga in front of me -- so the next question would be, who is the next character who no sold an effort ki blast from Piccolo [or roflstomped him], and what would be the general level needed to do that in comics [i.e. no-sell somebody like John/mid-herald and then roflstomp him].
Originally posted by carver9
This?Lol... would either be jacked up tremendously or turned to dust.
Idk Carver.
Thanos tanks blackholes pretty thoroughly and the Cell Saga tops out at Solar System level.
I think he would be singed but whole.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Idk Carver.Thanos tanks blackholes pretty thoroughly and the Cell Saga tops out at Solar System level.
I think he would be singed but whole.
Youre using his highs though. We are talking about average portrayals. Terrax tanked a black hole as well and he would get turned to dust from this attack.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaNappa.
edit due to Galan making a good point and this not applying.👆
I don't have the manga in front of me -- so the next question would be, who is the next character who no sold an effort ki blast from Piccolo [or roflstomped him], and what would be the general level needed to do that in comics [i.e. no-sell somebody like John/mid-herald and then roflstomp him].
...And mind you, Nappa was only about 13% stronger than Piccolo during the Saiyan saga, and still throttled him casually.
Originally posted by Galan007👆
Nappa....And mind you, Nappa was only about 13% stronger than Piccolo during the Saiyan saga, and still throttled him casually.
So we have:
a). Piccolo easily moon-busting [which is pegged at around mid-herald]
b). Nappa no-selling Piccolo with more effort than the moon busting.
In essence -- which comic book character can/has no-sold a moon-busting mid-herald?
Say, for example, which characters has no-sold Beta Ray Bill and stomped him? Or Gladiator? I dunno -- the question becomes which characters have actually shown to moon-bust [also keeping in mind that Piccolo did it casually -- but that's probably harder to find], and then gotten no-sold and stomped by a character [high-herald? trans?]
Originally posted by LordGod
Can someone refresh my memory on how powerlevels work? Because it might also help to figure out where DB characters compare to comic characters.For instance- if a character in DB has a powerlevel of 3,000, does it mean they can stalemate 3 different characters with powerlevels of 1,000?
A 3000 pl character mudstomps 3 x 1000 pl characters.
Same way an adult would beat three fourth graders that total his weight.
Originally posted by Philosophía
👆So we have:
a). Piccolo easily moon-busting [which is pegged at around mid-herald]
b). Nappa no-selling Piccolo with more effort than the moon busting.In essence -- which comic book character can/has no-sold a moon-busting mid-herald?
Say, for example, which characters has no-sold Beta Ray Bill and stomped him? Or Gladiator? I dunno -- the question becomes which characters have actually shown to moon-bust [also keeping in mind that Piccolo did it casually -- but that's probably harder to find], and then gotten no-sold and stomped by a character [high-herald? trans?]
Originally posted by LordGodPLs stopped mattering after the Namek saga, because the characters became too powerful... Even though you can easily approximate an accurate high-end PL for post-Boo saga Goku using established canon sources/multipliers. But that's neither here nor there.
Can someone refresh my memory on how powerlevels work? Because it might also help to figure out where DB characters compare to comic characters.For instance- if a character in DB has a powerlevel of 3,000, does it mean they can stalemate 3 different characters with powerlevels of 1,000?
Anyway, PLs aren't linear like that. The implication is that if a significant gap exists between you and your opponent(s), you can defeat an army of them. The "dogpiling" approach doesn't really work for weaker characters in DB.
PLs also don't work linearly when you talk about energy projection. For example, Saiyan saga Vegeta(PL=18,000) is the weakest confirmed planet-buster in the series... But that doesn't mean a character with a PL of 36,000 'only' has enough output to destroy two earths.