Originally posted by abhilegend
IMO, After Frieza saga, the adult Saiyans are all above top tier. I'd rank Super Perfect Cell as skyfather level.
I disagree.
Energy projection wise, the series tops out around planetary/solar system level.
Skyfathers are casual galaxy busters. Even in Super, you won't see that kind of power.
With the notable exception of Beerus and Goku creating shockwaves that Kai's claim would destroy the universe. But it's a questionable feat, as it's never been repeated once in the series, even by the likes of Broly in legendary SSJ mode.
Originally posted by cdtm
I disagree.Energy projection wise, the series tops out around planetary/solar system level.
Skyfathers are [b]casual
galaxy busters. Even in Super, you won't see that kind of power.With the notable exception of Beerus and Goku creating shockwaves that Kai's claim would destroy the universe. But it's a questionable feat, as it's never been repeated once in the series, even by the likes of Broly in legendary SSJ mode. [/B]
Originally posted by cdtmDon't see why we'd question the Kais, when you can literally see the shockwaves spreading across the entire universe..? Regardless, it likely hasn't been repeated because in the same fight, Goku learned how to deliver punches in his God form without causing that type of collateral damage.
With the notable exception of Beerus and Goku creating shockwaves that Kai's claim would destroy the universe. But it's a questionable feat, as it's never been repeated once in the series, even by the likes of Broly in legendary SSJ mode.
And during that fight, Goku/Beerus also produced the "super dense energy ball"... Which even Whis confirmed would have destroyed the universe if Beerus hadn't nullified it.
So any way you slice it, the battle between n00b-SSG Goku and a massively suppressed Beerus was universal.
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Either way, I'm curious to see where Phil's going with this. 👆
Originally posted by Philosophíait was pretty clear that piccolo couldn't do a damn thing to nappa.
👆So we have:
a). Piccolo easily moon-busting [which is pegged at around mid-herald]
b). Nappa no-selling Piccolo with more effort than the moon busting.In essence -- which comic book character can/has no-sold a moon-busting mid-herald?
Say, for example, which characters has no-sold Beta Ray Bill and stomped him? Or Gladiator? I dunno -- the question becomes which characters have actually shown to moon-bust [also keeping in mind that Piccolo did it casually -- but that's probably harder to find], and then gotten no-sold and stomped by a character [high-herald? trans?]
so if we are assuming that piccolo was mid herald at the time, then it would definitely take a high herald to rape him as easily as nappa did imo.
Originally posted by Galan007
Don't see why we'd question the Kais, when you can literally see the shockwaves spreading across the entire universe..? Regardless, it likely hasn't been repeated because in the same fight, Goku learned how to deliver punches in his God form without causing that type of collateral damage.And during that fight, Goku/Beerus also produced the "super dense energy ball"... Which even Whis confirmed would have destroyed the universe if Beerus hadn't nullified it.
So any way you slice it, the battle between n00b-SSG Goku and a massively suppressed Beerus was universal.
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Either way, I'm curious to see where Phil's going with this. 👆
It's not just Goku, though.
Broly or Freeza sure never learned to suppress shockwaves, much less had a problem in creating them.
I mean if this kind of thing happened in a comic book (Say, Genis-Vell shoots an abstract being through the head, which totally did happen) and was never repeated ever again, I'm pretty sure we'd be arguing it should be taken with a grain of salt.
Originally posted by cdtm
It's not just Goku, though.Broly or Freeza sure never learned to suppress shockwaves, much less had a problem in creating them.
I mean if this kind of thing happened in a comic book (Say, Genis-Vell shoots an abstract being through the head, which totally did happen) and was never repeated ever again, I'm pretty sure we'd be arguing it should be taken with a grain of salt.
Frieza destroyed a planet but Goku never did, so i guess that means Goku isn't planetary?
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
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No, that's a 👇.
For flawed logic. There's a big difference between intentionally destroying a planet, and involuntarily creating a universe ending shockwave every time you throw a punch.
The fact is, Goku would never intentionally destroy a planet. While Freeza should be creating shockwaves left and right every time he hits Goku, since not doing so is something Goku needed to learn how to do.
Since you bought into his flawed logic, let's make it two 👇 👇.
One for Carv, one for Deadpool.
Originally posted by Galan007
So I recently talked this over with Bada and Pr, and we're all in agreement to allow this on sort of a trial basis...The intent of this thread is to act as a compendium of sorts where any and all discussions pertaining to "Dragon Ball vs. Comics" are allowed.
-Can comic character 'x' replicate this showing from DB character 'x'..? - Perfectly fine.
-Who is the weakest comic character who can tank 'x' blast from DB..? - No problem.
-Comic character 'x' vs. DB character 'x'..? - Go for it.Any DB/comics debates are fine as long as you heathens keep it civil(seriously, NO trolling/bashing/flaming/etc. will be tolerated), and there is not to be any bleed-over into other threads in the CBF whatsoever. ALL cross-genre talk needs to stay in this one thread.
If the above "rules" aren't followed, this thread will be closed and DB discussions will be blacklisted again. No exceptions.
So with all of that being said... Your move!
Does this means a D&D vs Comics thread is possible? Because Drizzt would work a few hairy mutants