Originally posted by DeadpoolXXXIt was definitely obvious that Piccolo was helpless against Nappa. That's why he(Piccolo) was trying to get Gohan pissed and blast Nappa instead -- his own power was not enough to cause any real damage. Based on that, we can logically say that Nappa could have either:
it was pretty clear that piccolo couldn't do a damn thing to nappa.so if we are assuming that piccolo was mid herald at the time, then it would definitely take a high herald to rape him as easily as nappa did imo.
Hard to say what sort of comic character has the raw durability to tank a moon-buster, though. abhi mentioned Kurse; I'd probably agree with that.
Originally posted by cdtmLike I said: if you don't want to accept the shockwave feat, that's fine... Because they still generated an energy ball that would have destroyed the universe later on(per Whis.) So either way, their fight was clearly universal in scale.
It's not just Goku, though.Broly or Freeza sure never learned to suppress shockwaves, much less had a problem in creating them.
I mean if this kind of thing happened in a comic book (Say, Genis-Vell shoots an abstract being through the head, which totally did happen) and was never repeated ever again, I'm pretty sure we'd be arguing it should be taken with a grain of salt.
...But let's refrain from talking about God-level power for a bit. I'm much more curious to see how 'weaker' DB characters compare to comic characters. I'm sure we'll get to the God tier soon enough. 😉
Let's say we all agree [and I think we do] that we see Piccolo as a mid-herald. It's hard to find an equivalent, given the myriad of abilities comic book characters have -- but would Gladiator? Beta Ray Bill? Black Adam? be good analogies, in general? I don't think they can destroy the moon anywhere as easily as Piccolo did -- but I digress. For the sake of the discussion.
I'm asking, because once we have a proper approximation, we can move on and gauge Nappa in parallel -- as we have to find a character and/or tier who treats those above the same way Nappa treated Piccolo.
I know Sentry/Thanos treated Beta Ray Bill kind of similar? Ultraman did Black Adam? Annihilus for Gladiator [https://imgur.com/a/ENDmn03]?
Originally posted by Galan007My mental gauge is generally they can bust a moon and they can tank a moon busting attack -- while at the same time being kind of bricks with EP [since it's hard to compare to other abilities, like TP/TK or whatnot].
My first inclination was BRB-level.But it's hard because Piccolo's feat = energy projection. So even though Bill can moon-bust, it almost certainly wouldn't happen with energy projection. mmm
It's hard -- but once we get past a baseline, it's easier since we look at how the baseline [both in comics and dragon ball] compares to stronger characters -- and thus what tier those characters technically are.
black adam is a good starter imo. even if he's on the higher end of who can soak piccolo's blast.
and i see where philo is going with this, the sneaky devil. 😈
because even if you just have piccolo as a bottom of the barrel mid herald, then it would still take someone on the highest end of mid herald (or even low end of high herald) to stomp him as easy as nappa did.
and if nappa is somewhere in that realm then it would already put vegeta well into the high herald category. and that's BEFORE you even get to namek. 😂
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXXGalan said that there was only a 13% difference between Piccolo and Nappa.
black adam is a good starter imo. even if he's on the higher end of who can soak piccolo's blast.and i see where philo is going with this, the sneaky devil. 😈
because even if you just have piccolo as a bottom of the barrel mid herald, then it would still take someone on the highest end of mid herald (or even low end of high herald) to stomp him as easy as nappa did.
and if nappa is somewhere in that realm then it would already put vegeta well into the high herald category. and that's BEFORE you even get to namek. 😂
You really think sich a slight difference would catapult nappa into a completely different tier like that?
Originally posted by Galan007
It is what it is. 🙂And I also assume Phil is *just* talking about DB energy projection and relative durability. So even if Saiyan saga Vegeta is a high-heraldish in those categories, it doesn't mean he can automatically beat someone like, say, Flash.
Flash is unique in his own way. His speed steal alone would be problematic. He won't be punchimg Cell to sleep though.
Originally posted by Galan007This and also average ballpark. DB characters have one writer so theres no such thing as high portrayal -- they simply are. They're a straight line while comic book characters are all over the place varying by writer.
It is what it is. 🙂And I also assume Phil is *just* talking about DB energy projection and relative durability. So even if Saiyan saga Vegeta is a high-heraldish in those categories, it doesn't mean he can automatically beat someone like, say, Flash.
And while you can argue that J'onn's TP or Flash/Superman's speed are above, that is not the point, we're not focusing on particular abilities, but on the overall picture.
So if we agree on Piccolo -- where'd Nappa land to treat him like that?
Originally posted by LordGodAgain: this isn't the real world, where strength-differentials translate linearly. For example, in the real world if person 'a' can bench press 200lbs, and person 'b' can bench press 228lbs, then person 'b' is 13% stronger. End of story.
Galan said that there was only a 13% difference between Piccolo and Nappa.You really think sich a slight difference would catapult nappa into a completely different tier like that?
This is DB, where relatively minor differences in power can equate to massively one-sided stomps(ie. exponential growth.) Yes, on paper there was 'only' a 13% difference in power between Piccolo and Nappa... But that was still enough of a difference for Nappa to casually toy with Piccolo(and the rest of the B-team), before ultimately one-shot killing Piccolo without taxing himself in the slightest.
Originally posted by carver9
On a planet with extreme gravity.That's the lowest of lowest showings and Kid Goku would stomp Thor by the way. Hell, Jackie Chun could.
The 'extreme gravity' is already accounted for.
It was consistent because vegeta in the android saga was at first struggling with 300x gravity, which dr brief's said would make his body feel like 18 tons.
Originally posted by CosmicCometYeah goku I think reached 100 times earth's gravity during the Frieza arc but struggled for a while with that.
The 'extreme gravity' is already accounted for.It was consistent because vegeta in the android saga was at first struggling with 300x gravity, which dr brief's said would make his body feel like 18 tons.
Originally posted by NewjakI mentioned this before, but lifting strength in DB never matches striking strength for whatever reason. A character who can effortlessly shatter mountains with a punch, for example, isn't going to struggle lifting 40 tons.
Didn't Goku after Cell have to turn Super Saiyan once just to handle 40 tons of weight for training?😛
I've never really understood *why* Toriyama portrays strength in DB the way he does... But he's honestly pretty phucking stupid, so that's probably the reason. /shrug