Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
i could bring up repulsive gravity and normal gravity, as that would be the push/pull you're looking for, but that's dumb. the narration is worded stupidly. if the writer wanted it to be referring to wind or gravity they should have just stated so in plain english. but here we are. 😘all i'm saying is that negating the wind doesnt affect your ability to walk on air. gravity does.
Agreed, never said it was Eisner award winning (very VERY far from it lol). It's shit, I 10,000% agree with you.
With that said, that's just how I interpret it. Repulsive gravity is fine, except there is no such 'gravity cycle', and it's not as if Earth (or at least, 616 Earth) has repulsive gravity inherent to it. It just has gravity.
He negates gravity to rise ( and has explicitly done so many times) and can walk through the air without being blown off, because he negates wind. Even a stiff breeze can blow something as massive as a hot air balloon off course, after all. No need for a hurricane. So in order for 'air walking' to be a viable mode of transport, you have to also negate wind effects.
I..e the pushing and pulling of the planet's endless (wind) cycle.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol.So match starts, what happens?
Still waiting Carv.
No, let me rephrase. Goku throws a blast faster than Aquarian could see and it does nothing. He then use the pole. He could simply make Aquarian feel like he's attacking him but Aquarian is aiming his attacks at an after image.
Fast forward to 1 min and 18 seconds...
He gets shanked or hit on top of the head (extremely hard).
Originally posted by carver9
No, let me rephrase. Goku throws a blast faster than Aquarian could see and it does nothing. He then use the pole. He could simply make Aquarian feel like he's attacking him but Aquarian is aiming his attacks at an after image.Fast forward to 1 min and 18 seconds...
He gets shanked or hit on top of the head (extremely hard).
Firstly: the null field is AoE. The entire area would be affected.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So when in the Pegasus Project facility, Aquarian expanded his null field over the entire building. For reference, this is its size:
https://i.postimg.cc/vmCbS2FJ/M2-N1-053-033.jpg
And then.....what, he gets shanked/hit (hard)? How? The null field surrounds his body at ALL times. He doesn't aim it, lmao.
Stilt was right, I have to bloody crop and zoom scans just so you pay attention, and actually understand what is happening:
You can't take him by surprise:
You can't:
No:
Even when he is in a coma:
So yeah. Goku could use that trick all he wants, and make as many copies as he likes to attack from whatever angle he wants (lol) - the field is ALWAYS up, ALL around him.
Moreover, look at that last scan above. Read it. Read it again. Try to understand it.
Then read this:
Originally posted by carver9
Who's the weakest person that can beat this version of Goku in a 1 on 1 match? The starting distance is 10 ft, both are trying to take each other out and anime fts are allowed. CDTM, you're not invited to respond to this message.
10ft, eh? Lol.
Goku starts the match, already caught in the field lmao. If he so much as raises his hand/arm in front of him, or takes a single step.....he's in the null-field.
The field start off at some ft away from him. Goku is performing these attacks BEFORE he could expand his shield. I see the energy blast and shield toss but obviously this attack is different. Question, an Aquarian that is trying (obviously different from your average Aquarian), what tier would you put him in? Cosmic cube levels?
Originally posted by carver9
The field start off at some ft away from him. Goku is performing these attacks BEFORE he could expand his shield. I see the energy blast and shield toss but obviously this attack is different. Question, an Aquarian that is trying (obviously different from your average Aquarian), what tier would you put him in? Cosmic cube levels?
And remember Carver, it's on Dark to prove Aquarian can affect magic. Such as the Power Pole.
No, claiming "all energy" does not cut it. Speedball can manipulate kinetic energy from Gladiator, but not from a magic Iron Fist.
Originally posted by carver9
I think your scans would mean something if those items/attacks were magical. If you showed a scan of him stopping Thor hammer toss or something, it would be relevant because Goku pole is magical.
I admit, no scans of him affecting magic. But you're using Iron Fist (or at least, cdtm is) as a proxy, which is incorrect.
Originally posted by carver9
The field start off at some ft away from him. Goku is performing these attacks BEFORE he could expand his shield. I see the energy blast and shield toss but obviously this attack is different. Question, an Aquarian that is trying (obviously different from your average Aquarian), what tier would you put him in? Cosmic cube levels?
The field starts ten feet away as per the scan. No expansion, because he's in a coma lol.
If he's trying? Invisible Woman could take him out. Batman could. Flash could. So no, not cosmic cube levels
Originally posted by carver9
How could Batman? And Sue needs a hax to beat a hax. Don't count her. How is Flash taking him out?
Batman sneaks in, and chokes him to death. Remember, Batman snuck past the Spectre and has disappeared from Superman whilst Superman was looking straight at him.
Wally can speed steal ,just by looking at Aquarian. Or just time travel.
Goku is basically the worst character here to fight Aquarian, it's just a bad match up. Just because Speedball failed against Iron Fist, doesn't mean Aquarian fails against Goku (lol).
I've already provided multiple, MULTIPLE scans saying Aquarian nullifies ALL energy.
Onus is on YOU to prove magic is the special case.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I admit, no scans of him affecting magic. But you're using Iron Fist (or at least, cdtm is) as a proxy, which is incorrect.
You're obsessed with scale. My point is to refute your no limits fallacy of "energy" as applied to magic.
The relevent question:
If Speedball can redirect kinetic energy, why can Junzo Muto knock him out?
The answer: Because the Iron Fist does not operate by known laws of kinetic energy.
Relevent to Wundarr:
The Null field dampens kinetic energy.
Goku's Power Pole does not operate under normal laws of kinetic energy.
Or if you prefer:
Wundarr's Null Field dampens all energy.
It's on you to prove this includes magic energy. As magic does NOT exist in the same realm.
