Originally posted by cdtmIT phases through within 5 ft of null field
You're obsessed with scale. My point is to refute your no limits fallacy of "energy" as applied to magic.The relevent question:
If Speedball can redirect kinetic energy, why can Junzo Muto knock him out?
The answer: Because the Iron Fist does not operate by known laws of kinetic energy.
Relevent to Wundarr:
The Null field dampens kinetic energy.
Goku's Power Pole does not operate under normal laws of kinetic energy.
Or if you prefer:
Wundarr's Null Field dampens all energy.
It's on you to prove this includes magic energy. As magic does NOT exist in the same realm.
Originally posted by Kristens_Fianceso it base Gogito is 1/2000th All-Star Shoes then b/c SSB is a 50k power up I'd put GogitoUltra @25×(AS Supes)
@cdtm:
That's a very silly argument. It's not a no limits fallacy, if I am applying it to *all* energy. Which is what has been said many many, many times. The Aquarian negates *all* forms of energy. I'm not just extrapolating from *energy* to mean 'all energy', I'm extrapolating 'all energy' to mean.....well, 'all energy', lol.
Using the Iron Fist as an example, is stupid. Iron Man, a being of technology, has blocked Doom's magic with his forcefields.
Flash, a being of science, has stolen the speed of Cheetah, a magical being. He has also done so against WW.
Jay Garrick stole Black Adam's speed.
Sebastian Shaw has absorbed Hercules' magic.
Vulcan has manipulated Adam Warlock's magic.
Graviton can affect the gravity of Thor and Scarlet Witch.
I saw Carv brought up Thor and Mjolnir. Magneto, who controls the EM spectrum, can block Mjolnir. Invisible Woman can casually block and redirect Mjolnir.
Magneto also crushed Kuurth's helmet.
Superman Blue, a being of pure science, blocked magical attacks.
Lex blocked Enchantress with tech.
Winter has absorbed chi.
The list goes on, in both DC and Marvel. Just because Speedball failed against Iron Fist, doesn't mean Aquarian fails against Goku, lol.
Thor, Mjolnir, Scarlet Witch, Doom's magic, Enchantress, Cheetah, Black Adam, Kuurth, Warlock, WW, Hercules....these guys/girls/items are all magical, yet were still affected and blocked by characters using science, or at least non-magical characters. Your example of Speedball just shows that Speedball is crap, lol. Or PIS. On balance, I have shown many more times that actually, magic is no different from 'normal' energy.
I'm not the one arguing that Aquarian nullifies all energy. I am literally stating what has been said on panel, multiple times over the five or so appearances of Aquarian, lol.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Goku ITs past or 'within' 5 ft range of null field and uses hakai.
@cdtm:That's a very silly argument. It's not a no limits fallacy, if I am applying it to *all* energy. Which is what has been said many many, many times. The Aquarian negates *all* forms of energy. I'm not just extrapolating from *energy* to mean 'all energy', I'm extrapolating 'all energy' to mean.....well, 'all energy', lol.
Using the Iron Fist as an example, is stupid. Iron Man, a being of technology, has blocked Doom's magic with his forcefields.
Flash, a being of science, has stolen the speed of Cheetah, a magical being. He has also done so against WW.
Jay Garrick stole Black Adam's speed.
Sebastian Shaw has absorbed Hercules' magic.
Vulcan has manipulated Adam Warlock's magic.
Graviton can affect the gravity of Thor and Scarlet Witch.
I saw Carv brought up Thor and Mjolnir. Magneto, who controls the EM spectrum, can block Mjolnir. Invisible Woman can casually block and redirect Mjolnir.
Magneto also crushed Kuurth's helmet.
Superman Blue, a being of pure science, blocked magical attacks.
Lex blocked Enchantress with tech.
Winter has absorbed chi.
The list goes on, in both DC and Marvel. Just because Speedball failed against Iron Fist, doesn't mean Aquarian fails against Goku, lol.
Thor, Mjolnir, Scarlet Witch, Doom's magic, Enchantress, Cheetah, Black Adam, Kuurth, Warlock, WW, Hercules....these guys/girls/items are all magical, yet were still affected and blocked by characters using science, or at least non-magical characters. Your example of Speedball just shows that Speedball is crap, lol. Or PIS. On balance, I have shown many more times that actually, magic is no different from 'normal' energy.
I'm not the one arguing that Aquarian nullifies all energy. I am literally stating what has been said on panel, multiple times over the five or so appearances of Aquarian, lol.
Originally posted by carver9
@Dark,So I'm guessing you have no proof for magic? If not, Goku bops him on top of the head with the pole for the win.
All energy/power, which covers magic. It says all 🙂
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Because - and I really cannot keep stressing this - ANY energy above a certain level, gets completely nullified within the field.All energy:
All:
All:
He even says, it's his very nature. You want to argue magic is not covered by it? Prove it lmao. You're essentially arguing Cosmic Cubes don't work on magical items/characters.....
Edit: even magical items have kinetic energy to negate, lol. Bops won't work.
Match starts, and Goku is already in the null field, thanks to your starting distance of ten feet lmao.
Aquarian wins 🙂
Originally posted by DarkSaint85okay U keep durwanking wundarr 👍🆗
All energy/power, which covers magic. It says all 🙂He even says, it's his very nature. You want to argue magic is not covered by it? Prove it lmao. You're essentially arguing Cosmic Cubes don't work on magical items/characters.....
Edit: even magical items have kinetic energy to negate, lol. Bops won't work.
Match starts, and Goku is already in the null field, thanks to your starting distance of ten feet lmao.
Aquarian wins 🙂
Originally posted by carver9
@Dark...The burden of proof is on you since magic doesn't follow the laws of physics. Why do I need to prove a negative? That doesn't even make sense.
Because, as I patiently showed, the null field negates ALL energy, not just 'energy that follows the rules of physics', lol.
Just because it's magic doesn't mean it isn't affected by science, anyway. Magneto blocks Mjolnir, Tony blocks magic, Vulcan manipulates magic ,Superman Blue blocks magic....the onus is on YOU to prove it. You made the claim that magic energy is not covered under 'all' energy, so....prove it.
You're adding stuff that isn't there. Besides, the pole will still have kinetic energy to negate.
You've got nothing, and you know it 😂
Originally posted by DarkSaint85He doesn't need the pole.he just needs to teleport or dimension rift like Gotenks did God knows he's stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks as ssb or mui
Because, as I patiently showed, the null field negates ALL energy, not just 'energy that follows the rules of physics', lol.Just because it's magic doesn't mean it isn't affected by science, anyway. Magneto blocks Mjolnir, Tony blocks magic, Vulcan manipulates magic ,Superman Blue blocks magic....the onus is on YOU to prove it. You made the claim that magic energy is not covered under 'all' energy, so....prove it.
You're adding stuff that isn't there. Besides, the pole will still have kinetic energy to negate.
You've got nothing, and you know it 😂
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
All energy/power, which covers magic. It says all 🙂He even says, it's his very nature. You want to argue magic is not covered by it? Prove it lmao. You're essentially arguing Cosmic Cubes don't work on magical items/characters.....
Edit: even magical items have kinetic energy to negate, lol. Bops won't work.
Match starts, and Goku is already in the null field, thanks to your starting distance of ten feet lmao.
Aquarian wins 🙂
Actually, I AM arguing Cosmic Cubes couldn't affect magic.