!!!The Official Dragon Ball vs. Comics Thread!!!

Originally posted by carver9
So Dark, you're saying a full powered Doctor Strange or Constantine can't conjure up anything a spell or whatever, to hurt or defeat Aquarian?

If Strange or John can mess with a cosmic cube with direct attacks, then they can mess with Aquarian with direct attacks. Stop trying to trap me lmao, like you tried with 'What happens if Superman had say a pole' lol.

Strange can time travel, for example, which would mess Aquarian up etc. Use the Cosmic Cube as a guide.

Just because it's magic doesn't mean physics are totally ignored. Didn't Rulk use gravity (or the lack of it) against Thor and Mjolnir? Don't Tony's shield block Doom's magic? Doesn't Magneto block Mjolnir? When Juggernaut was amped by Kuurth, didn't Magneto crush his helmet all the same? Doesn't Graviton mess with Thor, with Scarlet Witch?

Or are you still arguing 'oh they're magic, rules of physics don't affect them!!' lmao. Hulk punches Thor with kinetic energy just fine, despite Thor being magic lmao.

I love how Goku is now changing up his attacks. Sign of desperation from you 👆

Originally posted by carver9
@Dark...

The burden of proof is on you since magic doesn't follow the laws of physics. Why do I need to prove a negative? That doesn't even make sense.

Whilst exotic, magic is nothing more than another form of energy:

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Iron Man, who isn't magical, is able to block it (and has even incorporated it in the past):

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Superman, who isn't magic, can block it (he even explicilty says no technology is involved, lmao):
https://imgur.com/a/RBFDO5C

Magneto, despite having nothing to do with magic, can block Mjolnir because it is metal:

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Graviton can block a Mjolnir strike, AND a lightning strike:

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So yeah....your argument is kinda silly. You're essentially arguing that heroes who follow the 'rules of physics' would be helpless against magic users, because 'magic doesn't follow the rules of physics'.

Yet we see PLENTY of examples where this is not true.

So again - onus is on YOU, carv, to prove that Aquarian is unable to negate magic, because as I have shown:

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Now show Aquarian blocking it

Dark just likes to argue for the sake of arguing, I wouldn't waste your time with him.

Originally posted by carver9
Now show Aquarian blocking it

Magic is nothing more than energy.

Your argument is like saying Hulk can't lift a 100ton pencil, because you don't have any scans of it lol. Asinine

So just because it was mentioned, we don't need proof of anything?. So I'm guessing since it was mentioned that Hulk have unlimited power, it is what it is? Or Juggernaut having unlimited strength. Or Wolverine claws being able to cut through anything? Or Cyclops optics being able to split a moon in half? Does this apply to everyone or is this just an Aquarian thang?

Originally posted by carver9
So just because it was mentioned, we don't need proof of anything?. So I'm guessing since it was mentioned that Hulk have unlimited power, it is what it is? Or Juggernaut having unlimited strength. Or Wolverine claws being able to cut through anything? Or Cyclops optics being able to split a moon in half? Does this apply to everyone or is this just an Aquarian thang?

Because there are showings where he DOESN'T split the moon in half etc. I can post them. If you said all that based off statements, then I'd challenge it and post scans showing why Cykes statement is false.

So if I say Aquarian negates all energy, based on statements, then you challenge it and post scans showing why the statement is false.

This is.....a basic debating thang, lol.

Sigh... I just do not feel like reading every appearance this man has been in but I guess I don't have a choice.

Originally posted by carver9
Sigh... I just do not feel like reading every appearance this man has been in but I guess I don't have a choice.

👆 you'll see he's actually a pretty rubbish character in normal situations. In BZs or in your stips, then he's actually useful. Goku is just a bad matchup for him, based on how you argued Goku in previous matchups (i.e blitzing and using speed/energy attacks).

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Because there are showings where he DOESN'T split the moon in half etc. I can post them. If you said all that based off statements, then I'd challenge it and post scans showing why Cykes statement is false.

So if I say Aquarian negates all energy, based on statements, then you challenge it and post scans showing why the statement is false.

This is.....a basic debating thang, lol.

Another bad faith argument?

Carver, no one needs prove a negative. If Dark claims Hulk is the strongest there is, it is on Dark to prove it.

You don't need to prove his statement is false. That isn't how it works.

That said, an expert like Reed Richards using technology to measure Gladiators speed could count as authoritative proof of his speed. As opposed to some random laymen saying Thor is as fast as the lightning he commands, which is simple hyperbole and proves nothing.

In the case of magic, you'd either need a statement from someone like Doctor Strange, or demonstrative proof of magic resistance.

That is Darks responsibility to provide.

Galan, how do you feel about this? Should we just say Aquarian can treat magic the same way he treated Cap shield, etc... or do we need proof that he can affect magic?

Originally posted by carver9
Galan, how do you feel about this? Should we just say Aquarian can treat magic the same way he treated Cap shield, etc... or do we need proof that he can affect magic?

Why not ask Dark?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Because there are showings where he DOESN'T split the moon in half etc. I can post them. If you said all that based off statements, then I'd challenge it and post scans showing why Cykes statement is false.

So if I say Aquarian negates all energy, based on statements, then you challenge it and post scans showing why the statement is false.

This is.....a basic debating thang, lol.

He's right as far as the basics of debating. The only thing to take issue with, is the idea magic resistance is bound up in a general purpose statement about energy.

Think of it this way. Who made the statement? What do they know of magic, if anything?

If Reed Richards says it, does he know what he's talking about? Is he an expert on magic?

If Doctor Doom said it, does he know anything about magic? Is he an expert?

I need that mod approval.

It isn't really a mod issue though, as it breaks no rules.

I mean, what do you expect Galan to say?

"Nah, lets take Darks word for it."

Maybe followed by

"And Hulk really IS the strongest there is. In fact, questioning Hulks strength is now a bannable offense!"

Huh? 🤪

Originally posted by carver9
Galan, how do you feel about this? Should we just say Aquarian can treat magic the same way he treated Cap shield, etc... or do we need proof that he can affect magic?

This is how your argument sounds:

Sandman (Spidey villain) can control sand.

Carver: Ah, but can he control sand from ARIZONA???? Scans.

DS: well, no, I don't have scans, but here's Dust from the X-Men saying Arizona sand, whilst exotic, is just another form of sand....

Carver: so you can't show Sandman controlling sand from Arizona, which is different from other sand...

DS: Sandman can control sand. Arizona sand is sand. What is there to prove???

I had another example using light, which may have worked better, lol. Can Spectrum absorb say, purple light, which is different from other coloured light, without explicit scans of her with purple light? I say yes.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
This is how your argument sounds:

Sandman (Spidey villain) can control sand.

Carver: Ah, but can he control sand from ARIZONA???? Scans.

DS: well, no, I don't have scans, but here's Dust from the X-Men saying Arizona sand, whilst exotic, is just another form of sand....

Carver: so you can't show Sandman controlling sand from Arizona, which is different from other sand...

DS: Sandman can control sand. Arizona sand is sand. What is there to prove???

I had another example using light, which may have worked better, lol. Can Spectrum absorb say, purple light, which is different from other coloured light, without explicit scans of her with purple light? I say yes.

A closer analogy:

Carver says: Hey, did you know Superman blew out a solar system when Mxy whipped up magic dust?

Darksaint: Lolllz hope he don goto the dust bowl!

Carver: Ha ha. But seriously, Mxy obviously created magic dust.

Dark: LULZ you so stoopid, where it say "magik?"

Carver: Oy.

What's up with those "bmw x5 50i 0 60" links?

Saint's phone got hacked by Alberto again?

Originally posted by carver9
Galan, how do you feel about this? Should we just say Aquarian can treat magic the same way he treated Cap shield, etc... or do we need proof that he can affect magic?

But if we take the statements made about Aquarian's null-field at face value, then it negates all energy. Magic might be esoteric energy, but it's still energy... And as such, should fall under the umbrella of "all energy" that is negated by the field. That said, I'm sure there are still ways to conceivably beat Aquarian with magic -- like using a "low energy" spell that can choke him out or somesuch.

Not sure how any of that applies to Goku, though, as he was not a wizard afaik?

Also, as I”m unaware of Aquarian, shouldn”t there be an upper limit of what he can absorb?

Originally posted by Galan007
This is not a "mod ruling", just my personal opinion based on the info presented.

But if we take the statements made about Aquarian's null-field at face value, then it negates all energy. Magic might be esoteric energy, but it's still energy... And as such, should fall under the umbrella of "all energy" that is negated by the field. That said, I'm sure there are still ways to conceivably beat Aquarian with magic -- like using a "low energy" spell that can choke him out or somesuch.

Not sure how any of that applies to Goku, though, as he was not a wizard afaik?

Basically this. He's not some super haxx character, he's just s bad matchup for Goku. Go in all guns blazing, and he'll negate you. Go in with low energy stuff, and he'll die.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Also, as I”m unaware of Aquarian, shouldn”t there be an upper limit of what he can absorb?

Hence my use of the Nth Man scans. That guy was multiversal in nature when Aquarian negated the 616 aspect of him (so universal?).