Edit: plus, Nova isn't a ghost.
So mid herald level seems to be the limit for Jiren. It sounds like I'm trolling, but DB fans shouldn't take it personal.....there are just bad matchups all round.
If it were an energy projection or speed or strength competition, sure he'd be waaay past them....but they suffer from the same problem Watchmen used to have, or the Saint of Killers from Preacherverse has....it's just too difficult to say. We can EXTRAPOLATE and say maybe, but without the feats we can't just make it up. Same way I can't just extrapolate and say well, SoK was shown to be utterly immune to a nuke, and he's supposedly all powerful, so he can solo the DB verse - it's just silly of me.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Yeah, Beerus said that he could not perma-kill immortals(at least not the ones who were granted absolute immortality by the Super Dragon):
And it doesn't work against immortals no?
Aside from that, Jiren was never shown using the Hakai technique anyway.
Originally posted by Classic NESNah. In Ginyu's case it was moreso that he just wasn't accustomed to Goku's body/ki initially, and was therefore unable to use his full power.
The problem with that is mind correlates directly with power in Dragonball. When Ginyu first took over Goku's body he didn't have the mental comtrol required to tap into Goku's full power. So, he was much weaker at first.
Ginyu gradually figuring out how to access more of Goku's power via fighting the others really has nothing to do with the TP-resistance side of things. Fine-tuned ki control/manipulation was just a very hard ability for most characters to grasp, because it wasn't used by 99% of the characters outside earth(especially back then.)
Originally posted by Classic NESThat's... Not exactly correct. Dabura simply lacked the #SaiyanPride!!! that allowed Vegeta to break free of Babidi's control.
Dabura not having vegetas mental fortitude translates to him being weaker than vegeta overall.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I mean, I was close. But then I saw there were characters called Bibidi, Babidi and Buu 👇
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Then it's probably not a good idea to let you know that Saiyans are named after vegetables:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/EdibleThemeNaming/DragonBall
Originally posted by carver9Vegeta was actively resisting Babidi's control well before he ever powered up. This was attributed to his willpower (not his battle power):
People don't realize Vegeta had to power up to bypass Babadi mind control.
And when Vegeta later broke free of the control all together, Babidi did not attribute it to his power, but rather his #SaiyanPride!!!:
https://ibb.co/R64c5FD
Babidi: "This has never happened... So much pride."
So like I said earlier, it certainly seems like TP-resistance comes down to more than just the raw power at a character's disposal... Even in DB.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
😂Then it's probably not a good idea to let you know that Saiyans are named after vegetables:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/EdibleThemeNaming/DragonBall
Originally posted by carver9
People don't realize Vegeta had to power up to bypass Babadi mind control.
Both posts:
He was far weaker than Frieza, that's for sure. He would probably be around Dadura (think I spelled that right) level because the Ginyu Force was mentioned as being Frieza most powerful henchmen. So he is 100% weaker than them and he's weaker than Zarbon as well (due to Frieza keeping Zarbon and Dadura by his side at all times). So he's weak AF but he is pretty powerful if we go by DC and Marvel standards.