^ Mainly because Goku stated that Moro-73 was the strongest opponent he'd fought up to that point... And since the events of the Broly movie happened in the manga, this indicates that Moro-73 > Broly.
That said, there is also the fact that MUI Goku(Moro arc) absolutely stomped Moro-73 without much discernible effort at all. Flip side, Broly soaked pretty much everything that SSB Gogeta dished out, and just kept getting more powerful the entire time -- so far as we know, the only attack from Gogeta that would have put Broly down for sure, was his "full force" Kamehameha(implying that it would have required SSB Gogeta's maximum power to definitively beat Broly.)
IOW, it required far less effort for MUI Goku to own Moro-73, than it took for SSB Gogeta to own Broly.
That said, the current scaling would look something like this:
Black Freeza >> Gas(post-unlock) > Granolah(post-unlock) ~/> current UI Goku ~ current UE Vegeta > MUI Goku(Moro arc) ~ Moro-Merus > SSB Gogeta ~/> Moro-73 > Broly.
Originally posted by Galan007I see.
^ Mainly because Goku stated that Moro-73 was the strongest opponent he'd fought up to that point... And since the events of the Broly movie happened in the manga, this indicates that Moro-73 > Broly.That said, there is also the fact that MUI Goku(Moro arc) absolutely stomped Moro-73 without much discernible effort at all. Flip side, Broly soaked pretty much everything that SSB Gogeta dished out, and just kept getting more powerful the entire time -- so far as we know, the only attack from Gogeta that would have put Broly down for sure, was his "full force" Kamehameha(implying that it would have required SSB Gogeta's maximum power to definitively beat Broly.)
IOW, it required far less effort for MUI Goku to own Moro-73, than it took for SSB Gogeta to own Broly.
That said, the current scaling would look something like this:
Black Freeza >> Gas(post-unlock) > Granolah(post-unlock) ~/> current UI Goku ~ current UE Vegeta > MUI Goku(Moro arc) ~ Moro-Merus > SSB Gogeta ~/> Moro-73 > Broly.
So where to you think Beerus fits into that list? How about Limit-breaker Jiren?
Originally posted by MendaxThe Dragon's wish only made Gas and Granolah the strongest in the universe "apart from the Gods themselves." So based on that verbiage, we can infer that Beerus was still more powerful than the both of them. Absolutely no clue how Beerus would measure up to Black Freeza, but like I said earlier: Toyotaro/Toriyama have a raging hard-on for Beerus, and consistently keep him as the most powerful character this side of Whis... So I wouldn't be surprised if he were still capable of no-effort ragdolling current Freeza, tbh... /shrug
So where to you think Beerus fits into that list? How about Limit-breaker Jiren?
By all accounts, Broly > Jiren.
Vegeta's use of UE is still in its infancy... That's why he goes semi-berserker, and has to rely on physical damage in order for his power to grow. However, it's not the damage itself that makes UE Vegeta more powerful -- taking damage just helps him get more in the zone to increase his "battle soul/spirit":
https://ibb.co/rwF3htH
However, this also means the powerup should only last until Vegeta's fighting spirit dies down again. IOW, he likely just receives a temporary boost while actively fighting, but once the battle is over, his 'UE-powa' probably returns back to its base level(whatever that is.)
I liken it to Hulk: he can become exponentially stronger while raging in combat, but once he calms down, his strength returns to its normal/average level.
Flip-side, Black's ability to zenkai is a biological trait that yields a permanent boost -- and Black(being essentially a Saiyan/Kaioshin hybrid) was able to attain seemingly unlimited zenkais on the fly.
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Vegeta's Ultra Ego relies on him soaking physical damage(which takes a huge lasting toll on his stamina/body) to increase his fighting spirit during the battle, and [temporarily] increases his power on the fly... And then he burns out before doing shit. It was pretty much a worthless transformation during the Granolah arc, lol.
Black's zenkai ability relies on him soaking physical damage, and [permanently] increases his power on the fly... And it seems like he can do this almost indefinitely(depending on who he's fighting, obvs.) It was FAR more effective/efficient than UE, tbh.
goku black's ability to powerup like that never made sense to me. yeah he had goku's body, but saiyans have to experience near death situations, then completely recover to get a zenkai. so how was black doing it on the fly like that without taking any real damage?
alot of people bring up the fact that he was merged with zamasu to try and explain why, but zamasu's presence shouldn't have had an effect on the saiyan physiology that allows zenkais to happen.
^ Saiyans can also zenkai considerably during battle. Vegeta has mentioned this a few different times:
https://imgur.com/r5wBbIn
https://imgur.com/CxytEiW
Fully recovering after sustaining life-threatening injuries just adds to their zenkai/power-up even moreso... So naturally, Black was capable of both(on a much greater scale.)
And yes, Zamasu being part of the equation clearly affected Goku's natural Saiyan biology. For example, it was explicitly stated that Black's "divine nature"(ie. being merged with Zamasu's essence) is why he transformed into SSR instead of SSB. That's also why Black and Zamasu never defused after using the Potara, while Goku and Vegeta did.
Black's divine status also provides the best explanation as to why he could just endlessly zenkai -- the only ceiling/cap on his power seemed to be entirely self-imposed, because he still wasn't sure what Saiyan bodies were truly capable of. Moreover, Black's ability to perpetually zenkai is also why his lower forms were so absurdly powerful, even in comparison to Goku and Vegeta. For example, base Black was already SS3 level, SS1 Black could give SSB Vegeta a fight, SSR Black was SSB+ level, and so on.
In a nutshell, Zamasu's divinity seemed to fully optimize Goku's natural abilities, and gleaned a form that was [potentially] far greater than the individual sum of its parts... And like I mentioned above: Zamasu also never fully acclimated to Goku's body. If he had gotten the chance to do so(via training in the RoSaT or somesuch), he probably would have been damn near unstoppable on his own.
...OR if Black just went into the future, and witnessed the Saiyans using UI and UE. Just seeing that alone would have greatly expanded his "horizons" regarding Saiyan potential, but I digress. /shrug
Originally posted by cdtmThe Kaioshin aren't really that impressive, tbh. I mean, Zamasu had devoted most of his life to training, and was undoubtedly the most powerful Kaioshin... Yet he would have never surpassed the Saiyans on his own(that's why he wished to inhabit Goku's body in the first place.)
If Zamasu's divine life force enhances Saiyan physiology..And we have the next arc: Divine Kaioshins actually train for the first time ever, blows past Freeza Black and the Saiyans.
It was the synergy between Zamasu's divinity and Goku's Saiyan body, that made Black so powerful.