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Goku uses Solar Flare, then uses his TK to drop a multi ton pyramid or other object on top of him (Piccolo proved their TK is at least that much in his training) Aquarian's strength is only one ton, he should very slowly be squashed like a bug.
^ Fundamentally, yes. Beerus's Hakai erases its target entirely from existence:
Moreover, Beerus can [casually] operate on a universal+ scale:
The only 'limit' to his power is that he cannot erase true immortals, like Zamasu(who was granted immortality by the Super Dragon):
So I suppose in that one respect, the UN is [arguably] superior to Beerus's erasure.
Some followups then.
If Beerus completely erased Zamasu in the present, then how was future Zamasu still able to become Goku Black?
So if Beerus can't erase immortals, then what would happen to Immortal Zamasu if Beerus used destruction against him? Would he just regen from it?
Does that mean immortals like Garlic Jr. are immune from his destruction also?
Originally posted by LordGod1.) Because future Zamasu/Black already wielded a time ring. This created a sort of paradox that displaced him from the main timeline -- effectively making him immune to the deletion of his past self.
Some followups then.If Beerus completely erased Zamasu in the present, then how was future Zamasu still able to become Goku Black?
So if Beerus can't erase immortals, then what would happen to Immortal Zamasu if Beerus used destruction against him? Would he just regen from it?
Does that mean immortals like Garlic Jr. are immune from his destruction also?
2.) He probably would have just (re)manifested in his ethereal "infinite" form, which was untouchable to all but Zen-Oh(whose erasure has NO limits within DB.)
3.) Nah, I'd imagine that Beerus could delete him easily. The immortality a Dragon grants would only be as "absolute" as their power allows for... And given that Shenron(the Dragon who granted Garlic Jr's wish) was scared shitless of Beerus during BoG, it seems likely that his wish-granting abilities are inferior to the power of a God of Destruction -- similarly to how the Dragon from the Granolah arc could only make someone the most powerful being in the universe "apart from the Gods themselves."
Flip side, the Super Dragon's wish-granting abilities are about as unbounded as it can possibly get, which is why Beerus couldn't perma-kill immortal Zamasu... Only Zen-Oh himself could do that.
You don't even need to go with the Time Ring, the Cell Saga established time can't be changed and meddling only creates alternate timelines. That or time travel in one universe is impossible and all time travel happens between mirror universes.
Meaning the Zamasu Goku fought in his universe and the Zamasu he fought in Trunks timeline were as different as the Cell embryo that was burned to death in Cell Saga, compared to the Perfect Cell the Z fighters fought, and the Future Cell Trunks killed. Or the Androids in Trunks timeline vs mainstream.
Originally posted by Galan007
^ Fundamentally, yes. Beerus's Hakai erases its target entirely from existence:Moreover, Beerus can [casually] operate on a universal+ scale:
The only 'limit' to his power is that he cannot erase true immortals, like Zamasu(who was granted immortality by the Super Dragon):
So I suppose in that one respect, the UN is [arguably] superior to Beerus's erasure.
Does it work on spirits as well?
Originally posted by cdtmZen-Oh effectively overruled a wish from the Super Dragon when he erased immortal/infinite Zamasu. Conversely, the Super Dragon effectively overruled Zen-Oh's erasure when he restored all the universes that Zen-Oh had deleted.
On Zeno-Oh and the Super Dragon:Super Dragon DID reverse Zen-Oh erasure. That implies he might actually be > Zen-Oh.
Would really like to know where the Super Dragons power even comes from. Namek dragons are as strong as their creators, but far more versatile. Who created Super Dragon?
Although it does makes you wonder what would have happened if Zamasu's wish had been more "Zen-Oh specific"(ie. "Make me completely immortal so that not even Zen-Oh can affect me!!") Would Zen-Oh have still been able to destroy him, or would Zamasu have been unfazed? After all , it seemed like Zamasu never really accounted for Zen-Oh himself directly intervening(Goku's plot-devicey hijinks are what made that possible), so he naturally would have assumed a generic "immortality" wish would have been enough -- but perhaps when it comes to Zen-Oh's power, you have to be more precise with your wish..? Because clearly it is within the Super Dragon's power to restore anything that Zen-Oh has erased, so why couldn't it also protect/shield you from said erasure in the first place?
The Super Dragon was created by a being called "Zalama", who we know virtually nothing about.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Yes:
Does it work on spirits as well?
the only other limit to beerus destruction ability is that it most likely cannot affect beings more powerful then himself. so all of the guide angels, grand priest, and zeno should be immune, but everything else is free game.
only other question i have is if beerus can apply the destruction ability on a universal level. seemed like only zeno could do that.
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXXWith the reveal that Ultra Ego is essentially a Destroyer's equivalent of an Angel's Ultra Instinct, it has become a little more murky where Destroyers actually stand relative to Guide Angels. Certainly an Angel like Whis is far above Beerus in terms of general combat power(we've literally seen Whis casually one-shot Beerus in the past)... But does that mean Whis could outright tank a true Hakai from Beerus? I honestly don't know at this point.
the only other limit to beerus destruction ability is that it most likely cannot affect beings more powerful then himself. so all of the guide angels, grand priest, and zeno should be immune, but everything else is free game.only other question i have is if beerus can apply the destruction ability on a universal level. seemed like only zeno could do that.
That said, I would certainly assume that GP and Zen-Oh are beyond any Destroyer's Hakai, as they are undoubtedly a greater order of being.
As for your other point, I believe the farthest we've seen Beerus take an actual Hakai was when he used it to casually delete a planet for the lulz:
However, we also know that Beerus is solidly universal+ overall: while using only a micro-fraction of his power, Beerus's battle with n00b-SSG Goku would have destroyed universe 7 entirely(had he not nullified their cumulative energies) -- and his fight with Champa would have obliterated universe 6 AND universe 7(had the Angels not intervened.) So I can't imagine why he couldn't apply his Hakai/erasure on an equal scale. /shrug
...But that would obviously never happen, as a Destroyer's primary function/purpose isn't to outright destroy their universe -- the Guide Angel would intervene before it came to that.
^ I am of the opinion that the only reason Beerus couldn't perma-kill Zamasu was because: a.) he had been granted true immortality by an entity that was beyond Beerus himself, and b.) Zamasu was capable of manifesting in an ethereal/"infinite" form after his body was erased.
So in a comic book, could some of those characters potentially survive Beerus's erasure? Maybe, as they might just pop back up on the next page with no explanation or whatever... But in a forum setting, I'm not sure how they would 'resurrect' back on the field after their bodies/spirits were completely nullified from existence, like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9soF4ZyzGUI&t=2m7s
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But Mr. Immortal has the most literal type of immortality that there is. I think the only character who has shown the ability to permanently kill him was TOBA.
Lobo was banned from both Heaven and Hell by the powers that be. He literally can't die.
The Mask can regenerate from all damage instantly, which put him above even Lobo.
Deadpool was made untouchable to Death herself.
So if Beerus used destruction on them, why would they stay dead when he flatout said he couldn't kill immortals?
^ As mentioned, Beerus would have certainly been capable of erasing immortal Zamasu's physical body(like he did in the clip I posted above.) However, thanks to Zamasu's wish from the Super Dragon, he also gained the ability to manifest in an ethereal/infinite/universal form after his body was destroyed -- which was untouchable to ALL but Zen-Oh himself(whose erasure is completely unbounded.) Can any of the characters you mentioned do the same if their physical self were entirely deleted without a trace? Maybe it could happen in a comic book, where no explanation is required in terms of how they returned... But in a forum setting? I'm not so sure. /shrug
Being banned from Heaven/Hell is ultimately irrelevant. A Hakai from Beerus completely erases its target from existence, body and spirit. They don't go to the afterlife... They just cease to be.
IOW, Beerus's Hakai is essentially a more localized version of nullification. So ask yourself: in a forum setting, could those you listed also tank a blast from the UN, and/or return back to the field in a reasonable amount of time afterward? If the answer is "no", then they probably aren't soaking a Hakai from Beerus.