Originally posted by dadudemon
So from Surtur's and Newjak's points, I can definitively conclude 2 things:1. One of them is an anarchist.
2. One of them is a Trumper.
Update with actual facts about this situation:
Daniel Harris was a BLM supporter:
What? You didn't see this covered in the news and now one talked about it?
Okay, next:
Brandon Caserta, one of the ring-leaders of the operation, was anti-Trump. Called him an enemy and a tyrant. Here, you can watch it, here:
https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1314326553506000897?s=20
And the one who was supposedly a Trumper? He mentioned "Trump" once in all of his writings, rantings, and ravings. This is how the retarded lefties are trying to pin this on Trump.
The TDS is extreme.
I sure hope Creepy-Joe wins so the coronavirus bullshit will magically stop and all problems will magically cease to be Trump's fault.
Naaah, that's wishful thinking. All problems will be blamed on Trump for all 4 years. Like Republicans tried to blame Obama for about 2 years of Trump's presidency.
Anyway, if anyone is wondering, this story quickly died out because it didn't turn out to be Trumper's that did this. I'm finding nothing that says they were white supremacists. At least one was a BLM supporter who actually went out and protested. We were lied to, again. I was correct to be skeptical of any claims. Nick Sandmann, George Zimmerman. George Floyd. etc. I was wrong about Breonna Taylor, though.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Update with actual facts about this situation:Daniel Harris was a BLM supporter:
What? You didn't see this covered in the news and now one talked about it?
Okay, next:
Brandon Caserta, one of the ring-leaders of the operation, was anti-Trump. Called him an enemy and a tyrant. Here, you can watch it, here:
https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1314326553506000897?s=20
And the one who was supposedly a Trumper? He mentioned "Trump" once in all of his writings, rantings, and ravings. This is how the retarded lefties are trying to pin this on Trump.
The TDS is extreme.
I sure hope Creepy-Joe wins so the coronavirus bullshit will magically stop and all problems will magically cease to be Trump's fault.
Naaah, that's wishful thinking. All problems will be blamed on Trump for all 4 years. Like Republicans tried to blame Obama for about 2 years of Trump's presidency.
Anyway, if anyone is wondering, this story quickly died out because it didn't turn out to be Trumper's that did this. I'm finding nothing that says they were white supremacists. At least one was a BLM supporter who actually went out and protested. We were lied to, again. I was correct to be skeptical of any claims. Nick Sandmann, George Zimmerman. George Floyd. etc. I was wrong about Breonna Taylor, though.
It's almost as if this would relate to something like this statement:
It's nice to see the WHO catching up to science I pointed out many months ago. But this is a bit too late. Likely, millions will die from the economic damage from the lockdowns. 1-2 million in the US, alone. With tens of thousands estimated to have already died from the consequences of lockdowns.
Perhaps we could just add the caveat.......lives ruined instead of killed.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Update with actual facts about this situation:Daniel Harris was a BLM supporter:
What? You didn't see this covered in the news and now one talked about it?
Okay, next:
Brandon Caserta, one of the ring-leaders of the operation, was anti-Trump. Called him an enemy and a tyrant. Here, you can watch it, here:
https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1314326553506000897?s=20
And the one who was supposedly a Trumper? He mentioned "Trump" once in all of his writings, rantings, and ravings. This is how the retarded lefties are trying to pin this on Trump.
The TDS is extreme.
I sure hope Creepy-Joe wins so the coronavirus bullshit will magically stop and all problems will magically cease to be Trump's fault.
Naaah, that's wishful thinking. All problems will be blamed on Trump for all 4 years. Like Republicans tried to blame Obama for about 2 years of Trump's presidency.
Anyway, if anyone is wondering, this story quickly died out because it didn't turn out to be Trumper's that did this. I'm finding nothing that says they were white supremacists. At least one was a BLM supporter who actually went out and protested. We were lied to, again. I was correct to be skeptical of any claims. Nick Sandmann, George Zimmerman. George Floyd. etc. I was wrong about Breonna Taylor, though.
LOL! Embarrassing for anyone who tried to push this as being done by trumpers.
Originally posted by snowdragon
It's almost as if this would relate to something like this statement:Perhaps we could just add the caveat.......lives ruined instead of killed.
No no, for real, they estimate that we've already killed tens of thousands in future deaths from the lockdowns because of not catching cancer in time. It's that serious.
Actual published and peer reviewed research on this:
Originally posted by dadudemon
And it starts:https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2768946
Research into cancer and the impacts the policies have had on identifying cancer.
We are already missing tens of thousands of cancer cases due to the lockdowns and fearmongering about "going out."
This doesn't include the uptick in cancer deaths we will see from the economic ruin, which should be around 1-2 million over the next 10 years.
Originally posted by dadudemonYour article about the person and BLM doesn't say what you said.
Update with actual facts about this situation:Daniel Harris was a BLM supporter:
What? You didn't see this covered in the news and now one talked about it?
Okay, next:
Brandon Caserta, one of the ring-leaders of the operation, was anti-Trump. Called him an enemy and a tyrant. Here, you can watch it, here:
https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1314326553506000897?s=20
And the one who was supposedly a Trumper? He mentioned "Trump" once in all of his writings, rantings, and ravings. This is how the retarded lefties are trying to pin this on Trump.
The TDS is extreme.
I sure hope Creepy-Joe wins so the coronavirus bullshit will magically stop and all problems will magically cease to be Trump's fault.
Naaah, that's wishful thinking. All problems will be blamed on Trump for all 4 years. Like Republicans tried to blame Obama for about 2 years of Trump's presidency.
Anyway, if anyone is wondering, this story quickly died out because it didn't turn out to be Trumper's that did this. I'm finding nothing that says they were white supremacists. At least one was a BLM supporter who actually went out and protested. We were lied to, again. I was correct to be skeptical of any claims. Nick Sandmann, George Zimmerman. George Floyd. etc. I was wrong about Breonna Taylor, though.
It simply said they showed up to a BLM protest not that they support BLM or advocated for them. In the same article a Sheriff mentions how one of the people came to vent to him about BLM actually. Saying that he wanted to start his own All Lives Matter group.
Did you also miss where one of them was literally wearing a Trump 2020 hat lol.
They also talk about in the article very conservative views from most of the group
So swing and a miss 😬
Originally posted by Newjak
Your article about the person and BLM doesn't say what you said.It simply said they showed up to a BLM protest not that they support BLM or advocated for them.
W-what? haermm
You serious?
If he showed up to a Trump-rally, pretty sure you'd be quick to point out he was a Trumper.
Showing up to and participating in a BLM protest...and he's not part of BLM?
The suspension of disbelief is too extreme, here, dude. Sorry, your argument is terrible. And I honestly do not think you're arguing in good faith.
Originally posted by dadudemonWell technically BLM isn't running for president so I wouldn't equate attendance at one to mean the same as the other.
W-what? haermmYou serious?
If he showed up to a Trump-rally, pretty sure you'd be quick to point out he was a Trumper.
Showing up to and participating in a BLM protest...and he's not part of BLM?
The suspension of disbelief is too extreme, here, dude. Sorry, your argument is terrible. And I honestly do not think you're arguing in good faith.
For instance it only stated he showed to protest Floyd's death. That doesn't inherently mean he chose to support BLM as an organization. While Presidential rallies are generally to support the rally they are for.
And I see you chose to ignore the rest of it which is funny. 😆
As for arguing in good faith. I mean I think most of this is not arguing in good faith from you guys. You and others jumped to multiple conclusions in this discussion so far.
You also chose to ignore the person in the article they pointed out was explicitly against BLM. Either because you only wanted to read what you thought helped your argument or you decided to omit because you're trying to be deceitful. Which also would be added to a bad faith argument.
Originally posted by Newjak
Your article about the person and BLM doesn't say what you said.It simply said they showed up to a BLM protest not that they support BLM or advocated for them. In the same article a Sheriff mentions how one of the people came to vent to him about BLM actually. Saying that he wanted to start his own All Lives Matter group.
Did you also miss where one of them was literally wearing a Trump 2020 hat lol.
They also talk about in the article very conservative views from most of the group
So swing and a miss 😬
Idunno man. The article was specific about Harris:
“23-year-old Daniel Harris, attended a Black Lives Matter protest in June, telling the Oakland County Times he was upset about the killing of George Floyd and police violence.”
Isn’t joining a BLM protest because you were upset about police violence and the killing of Floyd meant that you supported BLM? Is there a qualification he lacked to be a BLM supporter?
Originally posted by Newjak
Well technically BLM isn't running for president so I wouldn't equate attendance at one to mean the same as the other.For instance it only stated he showed to protest Floyd's death. That doesn't inherently mean he chose to support BLM as an organization. While Presidential rallies are generally to support the rally they are for.
And I see you chose to ignore the rest of it which is funny. 😆
As for arguing in good faith. I mean I think most of this is not arguing in good faith from you guys. You and others jumped to multiple conclusions in this discussion so far.
You also chose to ignore the person in the article they pointed out was explicitly against BLM. Either because you only wanted to read what you thought helped your argument or you decided to omit because you're trying to be deceitful. Which also would be added to a bad faith argument.
I don't think you're being honest at all.
He was literally and overtly an BLM supporter.
“One of alleged plotters, 23-year-old Daniel Harris, attended a Black Lives Matter protest in June, telling the Oakland County Times he was upset about the killing of George Floyd and police violence,” the Washington Post reported.Harris told the Oakland County Times that Floyd’s death was a “shame” and made comments critical of law enforcement officials.
“It is a shame what happened with George Floyd and instances where law enforcement officers murder an unarmed man/woman who isn’t resisting arrest, was complying with the orders is wrong and need to be stopped. You look at photos and videos of news teams and protesters being beaten by riot police when they are there peacefully, you see people losing their eyes because of an officer shoots them with a ‘non-lethal’ round like pepper balls, or rubber bullets,” he said at the time. “I’ve gone through that sort of training and I can promise you weapons like that they can turn into a lethal round.”
@Nibedicus
It's not an illogical conclusion to jump to but there is a difference between saying someone supports an organization versus they are supporting a cause that organization also happens to be supporting. I would say someone omitting the difference is arguing in bad faith.
Heck he may not have even known it was a BLM protest. He may have just heard it was a protest. We do know for a fact though one of his co-conspirators was anti-BLM
EDIT: From the MSN article DDM just posted it does sound like he knew it was a BLM protest. Once again though attending the protest doesn't inherently mean he supports BLM. 😬
Originally posted by Newjak
Well technically BLM isn't running for president so I wouldn't equate attendance at one to mean the same as the other.For instance it only stated he showed to protest Floyd's death. That doesn't inherently mean he chose to support BLM as an organization. While Presidential rallies are generally to support the rally they are for.
And I see you chose to ignore the rest of it which is funny. 😆
As for arguing in good faith. I mean I think most of this is not arguing in good faith from you guys. You and others jumped to multiple conclusions in this discussion so far.
You also chose to ignore the person in the article they pointed out was explicitly against BLM. Either because you only wanted to read what you thought helped your argument or you decided to omit because you're trying to be deceitful. Which also would be added to a bad faith argument.
Like how some jumped to the conclusion that the entire group were right-wing Trump supporters?
Originally posted by Silent MasterI mean we know at least one of them is a Trump supporter.
Like how some jumped to the conclusion that the entire group were right-wing Trump supporters?
We also know the group they belong to is pretty conservative in most things.
I also think the important thing there isn't that there has to exist a clear cut connection between Trump and this group. It's the fact that Trump said things that could have been construed to people as wishing this to happen.
It's also funny the logical loops conservatives are jumping through to make Trump not look bad for the things he said 😂
Originally posted by Newjak
@NibedicusIt's not an illogical conclusion to jump to but there is a difference between saying someone supports an organization versus they are supporting a cause that organization also happens to be supporting. I would say someone omitting the difference is arguing in bad faith.
Heck he may not have even known it was a BLM protest. He may have just heard it was a protest. We do know for a fact though one of his co-conspirators was anti-BLM
I don’t get how you deliniate the support of an organization and support of its core cause as something different. And the fact that he attended a BLM rally
I find it highly unlikely that he did not know it was a BLM protest... I mean come on, man! :/
Originally posted by Silent MasterWell depend on where you started from. If you saw the guy in the Trump hat and the anti BLM one it wouldn't have been an too much of an assumption.
So, was assuming that the entire group was a bunch of right-wing Trump supporters an examples of jumping to conclusions?
It also wasn't an illogical conclusion to point out Trump had a tweet that seemed to endorse this type of behavior. In fact Trump has a long history of making comments that don't exactly calm people down.
Originally posted by Newjak
Well depend on where you started from. If you saw the guy in the Trump hat and the anti BLM one it wouldn't have been an too much of an assumption.It also wasn't an illogical conclusion to point out Trump had a tweet that seemed to endorse this type of behavior. In fact Trump has a long history of making comments that don't exactly calm people down.
Like, it depends on where you started from, if you new that guy attended a BLM protest and agreed with them in regards to police violence. it wouldn't have been too much of an assumption?