White Supremacists try to kidnap the Governor of Michigan

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
From the moment Republican President Ronald Regan said, "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are 'I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help,'" conservativism in American has become ideologically anti-government.

Decades later, Republican Lobbyist Grover Norquist confessed the aim of conservatism is to "reduce the government to the size where I can drown it in the bathtub."

You can see it today in the Trump administration, which has staffed every government agency with conservative lobbyists whose career aim is to dismantle the very agencies they have been appointed to lead.

It is why the FBI determined that far-right, anti-governent extremism is the single greatest domestic terrorism threat in the United States.

In practical terms, Anarchy is the abolition of government. That is precisely what conservatives have been pushing for over 40 years in this country.

So no, he does not sense. He is either playing dumb, or it is not an act.

Lol

Even if what Adam said was true, which it isn't remotely, that still wouldn't make conservatives anarchists. Anarchism doesn't just reject government, it rejects hierarchical systems of any kind.

I don't see conservatives as anti-government, they just don't want the government to have too much power.

Originally posted by Surtur
I don't see conservatives as anti-government, they just don't want the government to have too much power.

They are anti big government, there is a difference.

Originally posted by Surtur
They are anti big government, there is a difference.

Going by reality where they don't like big government.

Originally posted by Surtur
Going by reality where they don't like big government.

Could be, and yet it was still correct to ask for proof that any of these people were trumpers.

Originally posted by Newjak
Okay but that's probably where a lot of real world anarchists would fall as well.

I think, by definition, the "big" adjective doesn't matter to an anarchist. You're not an anarchist if you want any government, big or small.

Perhaps they would compromise and state that a small efficient and individual-freedom-supporting government is a million times preferable over a large nanny-state. But that's still not what, by their very definition, an anarchist would want.

But we are obviously all talking about pure anarchy, not the various other government systems which are loosely associated with anarchist schools of thought.

Such as Georgism, mutualism, Anarcho-Capitalism, Anarcho-Communism, Anarcho-Primitivism, Anarcho-Egoism, and....a shitload of other things that young ignorant people come up with after reading too much 19th Century political science and philosophy summaries (they don't even read the books or the criticisms of those books - they just read they just read the summaries and like the sounds of the ideas and come up with new political ideologies nevermind the historical context for some of the ideas and how almost all fail).

Originally posted by Surtur
I don't see conservatives as anti-government, they just don't want the government to have too much power.

Exactly. We're anti-BIG government, unlike leftists who basically view a centralized big government as the answer to everything.

We recognize that some amount of government is necessary.

And I've learned that at least one of these guys who were behind this kidnapping plot called Trump a tyrant. Not really something a Trumper would say, is it?

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Exactly. We're anti-BIG government, unlike leftists who basically view big government as the answer to everything.

That makes you a libertarian-right-winger, not a authoritarian-right-winger.

You're not a conservative. You're some flavor of libertarian.

Conservative Libertarianism is a thing. You're probably that.

Edit - Classical Liberalism is also a thing. Check out both of those and see if either of those two match closer with your beliefs.

Originally posted by Surtur
Going by reality where they don't like big government.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
It's safety nets that the rightists don't like, they don't like people like me paying more tax than most people. I have no problem with that as it provides services for people less fortunate than me and as a leftist with means for me that's fine. I'm not at the wealth level where I will ever be able to buy a big yacht, nor would I want one. But I am at the wealth level where helping to provide for others is something I feel I should do and whilst I don't pay taxes in Africa, I do on everything I own in the UK, etc. But for good luck and positive circumstances any of us could end up on the street.

I can feel your virtue. It gives you focus, makes you stronger.

Originally posted by Surtur
I can feel your virtue. It gives you focus, makes you stronger.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Isn't calling out virtue signalling, virtue signalling? To me what some people call virtue signalling, I call voicing decent values.

Am I "water is wet signaling" by saying water is wet?

Originally posted by Surtur
Am I "water is wet signaling" by saying water is wet?

Water is only wet if you touch it. If you don’t touch it it’s quite dry.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
I think the entire "virtue signalling", SJW, culture war stuff is what is right now killing the right in the US. People feel the right are trying to stop them being good by mocking decency and the anti Trump backlash is a symptom of this. People don't want 4Chan running real life.

How long have you had ADHD?