Red Son Superman vs WW Hulk

Originally posted by Sin I AM
In a forum setting we still use feats (however much they may or may not make sense) as a way to gauge. It seems your argument is to toss out all the times Superman has been shut down by slow characters. It's been shown time and time again that Hulk can react to any opponent at his level. There's no need to prove it.

Exactly but let Superman fanboys tell you Its hur DuR PIs 😂

Originally posted by abhilegend
They hold back in populated cities troll.

Keep your head canon to yourself, "full power" doesn't mean holding back you moron

For Albert:

Superman: Superman's speed is a viable tactic in fights. It's in character for him to use his speed, even if it's not lightspeed blitzing.

Originally posted by spetznaz
Seeing this now Alberto.

Even if one assumed that a ‘country level attack cannot harm the Hulk’ - even though he’s been harmed by far less, but that’s not what I want to focus on because, again, comics! We saw Captain America punishing the Hulk. We’ve seen Thanos in handcuffs. We’ve seen Wonderwoman have a fight with Bruce. All things that should never happen.

Today Marvel can have Wolverine totally dismantle the Hulk. Next week they can have TOAA’s strongest attack bounce harmlessly off him.

Comics.

The point I want to focus on is EXACTLY how would the Hulk even be able to tag any Kryptonian? In a forum fight?

Sure, in a comic book they’d just stand rooted to one spot and trade blows. We’ve even seen Deathstroke tag the Flash several times.

But in a forum fight, how exactly is the Hulk tagging any Kryptonian?

Hulk was able to see and track Surfer, then perfectly was able to time his jump to catch him.
And let's not forget He was able to tag Sentry during a speed blitz and hit that dude wit a 4 piece combo wit a side order of a broken Face, and the drink was a bloody nose. He's absolutely tagging Superman, that's not a fact you can avoid, period.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
For Albert:

Superman: Superman's speed is a viable tactic in fights. It's in character for him to use his speed, even if it's not lightspeed blitzing.

Based on absolutely nothing 😂

Even an MU8CH weaker and slower brute in DC can outreact Superman. It's true Superman was holding back with (Damage) at the start of their fight but after tasting some his strike he felt those were capable of putting him down.

The ONLY people who sell the dream that SpEeDBlItZ is somehow a factor are dc lunatics

So iyo, Albert, Hulk is equal to Surfer in reflexes based on their flights?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Based on absolutely nothing 😂

Even an MU8CH weaker and slower brute in DC can outreact Superman. It's true Superman was holding back with (Damage) at the start of their fight but after tasting some his strike he felt those were capable of putting him down.

The ONLY people who sell the dream that SpEeDBlItZ is somehow a factor are dc lunatics

That's an actual forum rule I just quoted. A RULE.

What rule?

😂 the post you said was based on absolutely nothing.

It's based on a forum rule.

OK but that's not a consistent with his portrayal, i swear it feels like I'm the only one who ACTUALLY reads Superman comics. It ENTIRELY depends on the foe he fights, Physical superior or equal foes may receive the speed blitz treatment (sometimes multiple smaller blows work better than one big punch). The speed blows can work from cumulative damage to even distraction and occupying a foes attention.
Foes who aren't in the physical department (energy, magic users (excluding Shazam and BA) etc...) RARELY receive this treatment.

Forum rules state full capacity as well.

What you think or not doesn't mean the slightest difference to me. You don't like the rules here, you're welcome to go elsewhere.

Red Son Superman uses his speed and wins.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
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10x the speed of thought.

Your point?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Exactly but let Superman fanboys tell you Its hur DuR PIs 😂

Keep your head canon to yourself, "full power" doesn't mean holding back you moron

I don't think he's fanboying. I think he's legitimate. He just wants to point out that going by power set Hulk has no way to counter Superman. And he wants you to come up with a answer based solely on power set. However going by feats Hulk can and has hung with Superman-level characters so there's really nothing to prove.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Your point?

I don't think he's fanboying. I think he's legitimate. He just wants to point out that going by power set Hulk has no way to counter Superman. And he wants you to come up with a answer based solely on power set. However going by feats Hulk can and has hung with Superman-level characters so there's really nothing to prove.

My point is that Red Son has the mindset and the abilities to have a massive speed advantage.

You attempting to argue based on...... completely different versions of Superman is analogous (😈 ) to me using Professor Hulk or Abomination in my arguments.

Going by feats, Wolverine would carve Surfer apart.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
My point is that Red Son has the mindset and the abilities to have a massive speed advantage.

You attempting to argue based on...... completely different versions of Superman is analogous (😈 ) to me using Professor Hulk or Abomination in my arguments.

Going by feats, Wolverine would carve Surfer apart.

What? he disarmed a Lantern, but he didn't EXACTLY hammer them at that speed.

That's because you're missing the forest for the trees 😂

So I ask again. Is Hulk as fast as Surfer based on their fights?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
My point is that Red Son has the mindset and the abilities to have a massive speed advantage.

You attempting to argue based on...... completely different versions of Superman is analogous (😈 ) to me using Professor Hulk or Abomination in my arguments.

Going by feats, Wolverine would carve Surfer apart.

Are you confusing posts? I didn't say Red Son wouldn't use his powers or that he doesn't have the temperament to utilize his speed. I'm saying it's wrong to say Hulk cannot compete with flying bricks

Originally posted by Sin I AM
In a forum setting we still use feats (however much they may or may not make sense) as a way to gauge. It seems your argument is to toss out all the times Superman has been shut down by slow characters. It's been shown time and time again that Hulk can react to any opponent at his level. There's no need to prove it.

This refers to Red Son, does it? The 'shut down by slow characters?'

An analogy would be like me going into a thread about Dark Beast and talking about how we cannot ignore Hank's pacifist nature.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's because you're missing the forest for the trees 😂

So I ask again. Is Hulk as fast as Surfer based on their fights?

We've seen him tango with him and Gladiator, his reflexes can comprehend and tag them. He's able to keep up with them fighting at certain speeds. EVEN if that doesn't work out, his durability is high enough to cope up with the damage and blows being thrown.

In Avengers Now # 24 he jumps from Mars to not only hit a satellite by stark but the force continues the trajectory to a rogue planet incoming

Not to mention Secret Defenders # 11 HAD Hulk speed blitzing a robot that not only overpowers Nova, North Star, black bolt, binary and Spectrum (all notable speedsters) but they all have a problem with its speed.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
We've seen him tango with him and Gladiator, his reflexes can comprehend and tag them. He's able to keep up with them fighting at certain speeds. EVEN if that doesn't work out, his durability is high enough to cope up with the damage and blows being thrown.

Cool.

So when characters like Wolverine stab Gladiator, slice Hulk up etc, that means Wolverine etc are faster than them, yes? When Cap literally avoids close range punches from Hulk, that means Hulk = Surfer = Gladiator and all three are slower than Captain America?

Scaling doesn't always work, for PIS reasons. For the plot, even though Flash can outrun Death, he still gets punched by Dr Alchemy. Even though Surfer can travel light years in moments Hulk - a guy Wolverine was originally created to fight - can tag him. Batman dances around Bizarre and Ultraman. Thor can react to Quicksilver, yet the same Thor gets slashed by Wolverine.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Exactly but let Superman fanboys tell you Its hur DuR PIs 😂

Keep your head canon to yourself, "full power" doesn't mean holding back you moron