Red Son Superman vs WW Hulk

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Cool.

So when characters like Wolverine stab Gladiator, slice Hulk up etc, that means Wolverine etc are faster than them, yes? When Cap literally avoids close range punches from Hulk, that means Hulk = Surfer = Gladiator and all three are slower than Captain America?

Scaling doesn't [b]always work, for PIS reasons. For the plot, even though Flash can outrun Death, he still gets punched by Dr Alchemy. Even though Surfer can travel light years in moments Hulk - a guy Wolverine was originally created to fight - can tag him. Batman dances around Bizarre and Ultraman. Thor can react to Quicksilver, yet the same Thor gets slashed by Wolverine. [/B]

But THE FACT that they can do it INDICATES that They're capable (not in the same range) of tagging (and perceiving at times) speeding opponents at certain speeds.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
In Avengers Now # 24 he jumps from Mars to not only hit a satellite by stark but the force continues the trajectory to a rogue planet incoming

Erm. How is that a speed feat, when I compare it to Red Son Superman pulling something 15 million miles away in under a minute?

I mean, what's stopping him from chucking WWH 1 million miles away? 100,000 miles?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
But THE FACT that they can do it INDICATES that They're capable (not in the same range) of tagging (and perceiving at times) speeding opponents at certain speeds.

Then this means EVERYONE in comics is all in the same range, and you've just degenerated into nonsense. As they all have tagged and perceived each other at some point or another.

That's why the no PIS rule exists. This is a forum fight, not a comic fight.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman always holds back in metropolis moron. Repeatedly said under Bendis.

What Bendis said is irrelevant, the intentions were clear in the comic, full power isnt the same as "holding back", anybody with common sense knows that. Do us a favor and go on a hiatus again like Delta again, we won't miss you 😂 you've been getting abused for a decade now on forums. clown.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
What Bendis said is irrelevant, the intentions were clear in the comic, full power isnt the same as "holding back", anybody with common sense knows that. Do us a favor and go on a hiatus again like Delta again, we won't miss you 😂 you've been getting abused for a decade now on forums. clown.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Erm. How is that a speed feat, when I compare it to Red Son Superman pulling something 15 million miles away in under a minute?

I mean, what's stopping him from chucking WWH 1 million miles away? 100,000 miles?

Then this means EVERYONE in comics is all in the same range, and you've just degenerated into nonsense. As they all have tagged and perceived each other at some point or another.

That's why the no PIS rule exists. This is a forum fight, not a comic fight.

NOWHERE Did I state that they are all equal speed. But since when have Superman and Flash operated at maximum speed, and then why would they be tagged by slower opponents? Since It's def not BECAUSE the opponents are as fast as them, but they are able to operate such that at their general speed, they can be tagged by select fighters. This means that at lower speeds at which Superman and Flash operate, they can be tagged, but go any faster and their opponents may not be able to.

Yes but what does FULL capacity mean to you 😂

Originally posted by abhilegend
Bendis wrote the same comic, moron.

Him writing the comic doesn't address what i said in any way shape or form, there was zero mention of Superman holding back in the comic hence "FULL powered" Bendis intentions was clear in that, point blank. None of your head canon disputes this period

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes but what does FULL capacity mean to you 😂

their highest speed or reflex speed at a consistent basis. But that's OPEN to interpretation. Superman and Flash have reacted in the nano/pico range, but RARELY have they done that in a fight.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
their highest speed or reflex speed at a consistent basis. But that's OPEN to interpretation. Superman and Flash have reacted in the nano/pico range, but RARELY have they done that in a fight.

No, not consistent 😂

Full Capacity
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.

AND:

If you, as a poster, put The Flash against someone that does not have the means to hurt him, then that is on YOU. It's not The Flash's fault that he's not going to slow down or trip over a branch just to give a substantially slower character a chance against him.

AND:

A character like the Flash is not going to get hit by someone substantially slower than him unless they have some counter to his powers. Simple as that.

If Hulk is not at Red Son (or any other Superman)'s level of speed, he's not tagging him. Flash/Supes aren't getting hit on the forums by slower characters. Forum rules.

Period.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
No, not consistent 😂

AND:

AND:

If Hulk is not at Red Son (or any other Superman)'s level of speed, he's not tagging him. Flash/Supes aren't getting hit on the forums by slower characters. Forum rules.

Period.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Not to mention Secret Defenders # 11 HAD Hulk speed blitzing a robot that not only overpowers Nova, North Star, black bolt, binary and Spectrum (all notable speedsters) but they all have a problem with its speed.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
This refers to Red Son, does it? The 'shut down by slow characters?'

An analogy would be like me going into a thread about Dark Beast and talking about how we cannot ignore Hank's pacifist nature.

i was not talking about Red Son there. My post that you quoted was in response to spet's post.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil

OK, so you are saying Professor Hulk, no PIS whatsoever, is vastly faster than Northstar, Nova, Black Bolt and Spectrum? Because they all had problems with its speed, but he actually speedblitzes them?

Because....Cap and Wolverine have danced around Hulk (and more powerful incarnations too). So you are now saying that Cap and Wolverine are vastly, VASTLY faster than, say, Spectrum and Nova?

But it's good you brought up Spectrum.

She's slower than the speed of thought. And Red Son is 10x faster than speed of thought.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
i was not talking about Red Son there. My post that you quoted was in response to spet's post.

👆 so completely different incarnations, got ya.

In any case, we've already said that comics =/=forum fights.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
OK, so you are saying Professor Hulk, no PIS whatsoever, is vastly faster than Northstar, Nova, Black Bolt and Spectrum? Because they all had problems with its speed, but he actually speedblitzes them?

Because....Cap and Wolverine have danced around Hulk (and more powerful incarnations too). So you are now saying that Cap and Wolverine are vastly, VASTLY faster than, say, Spectrum and Nova?

But it's good you brought up Spectrum.

She's slower than the speed of thought. And Red Son is 10x faster than speed of thought.

😂 Here comes the PIS excuse everytime a speed feat is presented, You said Hulk hasn't shown the level to tag a superman level being, and I Posted a simple one but nah nah let's dismiss it and call it PIS to avoid lacking knowledge on Hulk speed feats. Flash and Superman have been tagged by FAR less, even more than Hulk, let's not go down the lowball route. I have TOO many showings for them

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
😂 Here comes the PIS excuse everytime a speed feat is presented, You said Hulk hasn't shown the level to tag a superman level being, and I Posted a simple one but nah nah let's dismiss it and call it PIS to avoid lacking knowledge on Hulk speed feats. Flash and Superman have been tagged by FAR less, even more than Hulk, let's not go down the lowball route. I have TOO many showings for them

Not me, its forum rules. But like I said, is it not PIS? If it ISN'T PIS, and fully applicable - surely that means Professor Hulk is faster than Spectrum and Nova, and Northstar, right?

Do you think it was or wasn't PIS that Prof Hulk speedblitzed a robot that Nova/Spectrum/Northstar had trouble with? Simple question.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
👆 so completely different incarnations, got ya.

In any case, we've already said that comics =/=forum fights.

Yes.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Yes.

Luv ya boo

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not me, its forum rules. But like I said, is it not PIS? If it ISN'T PIS, and fully applicable - surely that means Professor Hulk is faster than Spectrum and Nova, and Northstar, right?

Do you think it was or wasn't PIS that Prof Hulk speedblitzed a robot that Nova/Spectrum/Northstar had trouble with? Simple question.

No, it wasn't PIS. And Thought speed had always> light speed in Marvel, that's not a new concept, nor does it diminish the fact that Monica's FTL in combat speed.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
No, it wasn't PIS. And Thought speed had always> light speed in Marvel, that's not a new concept, nor does it diminish the fact that Monica's FTL in combat speed.

Ok,not PIS. That's fine.

So the guys who tag Hulk and are faster than him- are they then massively faster than Spectrum and Nova and Northstar?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ok,not PIS. That's fine.

So the guys who tag Hulk and are faster than him- are they then massively faster than Spectrum and Nova and Northstar?

Flash, and Superman have been tagged by people relatively slow. Not even sure what point you're trying to make here 😂