I said he isn't a bullet timer like the Creeper.
Beyond reflexes creeper is also a bit of a low level speedster in general.
There was a scene in the third movie where it showed him zipping across the screen to grab up some kid while he was on a motorbike.
That's not the impressive part though. The creeper saw the motorbike in slow motion, while he himself was a blur in the same time frame.
Jason will never hit Creeper unless he allows it.
Is the comic feats of uber jason canon?
In the movie it was only implied that he might have survived re-entry, but that he was definitely hurt by it at least. Afterall all you see is his cyborg mask at the end, which was fused to his skull before.
In the comics he survives re-entry fully in tact. Mask still on. So there is a contradiction
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Is the comic feats of uber jason canon?In the movie it was only implied that he might have survived re-entry, but that he was definitely hurt by it at least. Afterall all you see is his cyborg mask at the end, which was fused to his skull before.
In the comics he survives re-entry fully in tact. Mask still on. So there is a contradiction
no it's just screen feats
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Is the comic feats of uber jason canon?In the movie it was only implied that he might have survived re-entry, but that he was definitely hurt by it at least. Afterall all you see is his cyborg mask at the end, which was fused to his skull before.
In the comics he survives re-entry fully in tact. Mask still on. So there is a contradiction
It's implied he survived and he is 100% bulletproof in the movie.
Originally posted by Arachnid1It doesn't need to eat to Regen, it got ran over in JC1 multiple times and literally walked it off then was good to go in not even 10 minutes.
Doesn't the Creeper always have to eat to regen? Insane damage soak, sure, but not continuous regen. I think I'd give this one to Jason.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
There's also that insane beat down he got in the dreamworld from Freddy which left him no worse off. It looked like something out of a toon.That said, everything Kings posted for Creeper is pretty wild.
Jason has some comparable stuff in this respect thread if anyone wants to look through. He even has comparable skill feels of accuracy.
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/jason-voorhees-friday-the-13th-respect-thread-2002353/The main things listed in Kings post that I've never really seen Jason top is the wheeled gas tank being flipped a couple dozen feet, the vulcan cannon feat from the third movie (though I think Jason could handle this since he's lost a solid half his torso and healed back in moments), and the blocking the shotgun with his axe after it was fired feat (though with the speed at which he moved and the camera cut, you may be able to argue aim blocking; regardless, Jason isn't really known for lightning fast reflexes so aim blocking or not, Creeper has the speed edge).
Another thing to note is how inconsistent the Creeper is. We say him get taken out in the first movie by a teen repeatedly running him over, after failing to dodge the car that had around 50 feet to accelerate. Still, we go by the most current version, and the third movie is what gave him his craziest feats that talked about above. The Creeper in the first two movies would comfortably lose to Jason IMO. The third movie was just on another level. Things got kind of cartoony. The main deciding factor here is if Creeper could get past Jasons damage soak combined with his ridiculous healing factor before Jason does enough damage to put him down (since he can't really heal, Jason just needs to get past his damage soak). Even Freddy in the dream world failed here.
Plus, in that scene where the Creeper got hit by the semi in JC3, he was down and out for a solid 40+ seconds (not to mention he lost a limb). Same with that vulcan canon scene. Every time he takes some serious amount of damage, it seems to put him out of commission for a solid amount of time, and Jason could definitely do some serious damage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tWZ9rvcp-8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACyUVpJiXe0I'm not confident in saying Jason wins against Creeper V3, but Creeper would definitely have to work for the win.
Creeper can fly and is strong enough to pick him up and drop him from a large height.
In Freddy vs Jason (dunno if it's canon or not), dude was getting sent back by skinny-ass Freddy, and he doesn't have the capability of the Regen creeper does.
Creeper would not die after being decapitated or stabbed through the head, it wouldn't even put him out, Jason's been downed by Crowbar hits from a normal human IIRC, but maybe I'm misremembering.
Originally posted by riv6672
He can’t.Pre cyborg zombie Jason would be way less of a stomp, but even that Jason would win, imo. Jason X is just overkill.
Creeper stomps any non Jason X. Look at the feats i posted for him.
Jason X is a tougher fight but Creeper is still just as strong if not stronger and so much faster and a better fighter it might be a stalemate if he can't hurt him eventually.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Creeper can fly and is strong enough to pick him up and drop him from a large height.In Freddy vs Jason (dunno if it's canon or not), dude was getting sent back by skinny-ass Freddy, and he doesn't have the capability of the Regen creeper does.
Creeper would not die after being decapitated or stabbed through the head, it wouldn't even put him out, Jason's been downed by Crowbar hits from a normal human IIRC, but maybe I'm misremembering.
Jason was the one ragdolling Freddy, not the other way around. Even in the dream world where Freddy is omnipotent he was still getting tossed around by Jason at times.
Originally posted by JmanghanIf I remember correctly, he dragged himself to the local county jail and ate some of the inmates to heal. He didn't just walk it off.
It doesn't need to eat to Regen, it got ran over in JC1 multiple times and literally walked it off then was good to go in not even 10 minutes.
Originally posted by riv6672
He can’t.Pre cyborg zombie Jason would be way less of a stomp, but even that Jason would win, imo. Jason X is just overkill.
No.
Feats wise, normal Jason is well below Creeper in terms of feats.
Creeper is way faster, significantly stronger, way more durablr and is actually skilled as a combatant to boot.
Creeper tanked 20 MM Vulcan canon fire while barely flinching. That's thousands of rounds per minute.
Jason's is too soft skinned and his regen too slow, he would have lost limbs taking that barrage of fire.
I'm just mad they scrapped the version of Creeper that could talk. Made him so much more terrifying when you realize that he's not only thousands of years old. He's perfect the art of hunting humans to the point that he can talk, drive, and create complex equipment just to make it easier and more fun for him. He created literal tracking bombs with buzzsaws on them and his truck is completely bulletproof, even the tires.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
I'm not sure I want a talking Creeper.Too Freddy esque. But its likely he can talk since he whistled.
He is unique as is for a slasher character. He is a super genius, can fly, thousands of years old, possibly alien.
The comics and JC3 give some more background. No word on if he's alien, but he's been around since "mankind learned how to walk" and the ancient Mayans and Aztecs worshipped him as a God. And I'm pretty sure he can talk in the comics, but I'd enjoy a sparesely talking Creeper. Just one-liners and threats here and there.
Originally posted by KingD19I was so pissed off with the last JC movie, because they still had not explained the Creepers origins in detail. Not to mention the movie did poorly, and now I am not sure if we will see another flick, due to the charges that were filed against The director's past behavior.
The comics and JC3 give some more background. No word on if he's alien, but he's been around since "mankind learned how to walk" and the ancient Mayans and Aztecs worshipped him as a God. And I'm pretty sure he can talk in the comics, but I'd enjoy a sparesely talking Creeper. Just one-liners and threats here and there.