Originally posted by DarkSaint85Show Superman and flash biting someone's face off.
So you dodge my points on Flash and Superman biting faces off.The point here is, Superman fans could easily be ten times worse. They're not arguing powerset fights, like Carver is trying to do. Same with Flash fans. They don't just move fast and punch hard.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
What they think was proven numerous times in threads and based on Surfers powerset. Superman has zero defense for the solar getting drained out of him in instants, Surfers immune to everything Flash can throw at him, same with Diana, Power cosmic is far more versatile, and more powerful than Lanterns. All of this is based on feats shown throughout the years, AND consistency. Yo go ahead and make that thread and see how it goes 😂
Originally posted by carver9
First he would go intangible, then he would create a blackhole as a distraction. While everyone is fighting against the pull while some is being completely engulfed by it, he would blast and drain the rest that is fighting to even survive the Black hole. He then create multiple red suns and clones, etc...All of this is possible and is within Surfer capabilities of doing. He IS the most versatile character in comics. Like speed, Surfer isn't dumb to forget what he can do.
Originally posted by JBL
Why not? DC fans make that claim and no one says a thing. There are threads about Superman vs annihilators and Superman vs Avengers. Go look at the ridiculous claims people say Superman could do. Where are you then? The love for Superman on this site is ridiculous.
After reading these, I think I was unfair comparing you guys to Flat Earthers. I was being harsh to Flat Earthers.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And I can show Superman biting and using superspeed, separately. Just like you can show Hulk lifting a pencil, and lifting far far more than 100tons, separately.But you wouldn't accept it. You would only accept Superman specifically biting someone's face at superspeed.
So using this logic, unless we see Hulk and Glads specifically lifting a 100 ton pencil, they can't?? Of course not.
So back to the original point. Just because a character physically can, doesn't mean they will. We still argue in character here.
I used Flash in my original example. You glossed over it. But he has actually done all that I said (and more) in combat. On the forums, however, no one seriously says he does all of what I said.
Except that's irrelevant, Wally has already been shown to be unhinged and employed a variety of this strategy in Heroes In Crisis, And Due to Thawne's corruption over the decades, he has finally succeeded in making Barry every but as ruthless of a killer as he is. Stop pretendng like you read Flash comics. You don't.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Except that's irrelevant, Wally has already been shown to be unhinged and employed a variety of this strategy in Heroes In Crisis, And Due to Thawne's corruption over the decades, he has finally succeeded in making Barry every but as ruthless of a killer as he is. Stop pretendng like you read Flash comics. You don't.
So no rebuttal, thanks.
Back to the original point, if we applied Carver's argument to every character, and argued powerset rather than what they'd do in character, it would be against forum rules.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Sounds like you need to read the rules. Or re-read them.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So no rebuttal, thanks.Back to the original point, if we applied Carver's argument to every character, and argued powerset rather than what they'd do in character, it would be against forum rules.
You USED Flash as an example which was a fail. If you actually read a flash comic, or (comics in general) You'd KNOW Barry is holding back murderous rage on a regular basis. Barry snapped during the Future Flash arc and killed Grodd by blowing up his head, killed Daniel West by snapping his neck, killed Mirror Master my making him impale himself with thousands if glass shards, dropped Trickster off skyscraper, killed a man named Kyle by vibrating his hand into his chest and exploding his heart, amputated Napalm's arm during a fight and then tried to impale him with a 12 inch glass shard. Mans snapped hard.
Then there's the time the Negative Speed Force made Barry show his true colors and he snapped and tried to kill Thawne. And in the King Cold arc Barry snapped and beat Cold to the point he almost died. Golden Glider had to pull Barry off of him.
So, yes it's ABSOLUTELY perfect within Flashes character to do that, period. Use somebody else cause you obviously don't know what youre talking about like the usual
Originally posted by h1a8
That means you didn't bother to actually read my posts. You just glossed over it.My post didn't emphasize Surfer doing anything in battle.
I told you phrasing through walls by shifting molecules is not the same thing as being intangible. I stated this before you posted scans. Obviously I know of those scans beforehand.You didn't prove that Surfer can access all his powers while being intangible (assuming you prove that he can actually be intangible).
You didn't prove that he can create black holes from material more durable than Gabriel and create black holes without having to touch something and do it within 1 second.
I stated Surfer draining Hulk via touch does not prove he can drain a probe. I stated this before you posted the scan. And Surfer would get dog walked by another probe if he tried to drain one probe or try to create a black hole in one probe. Remember, there are 5 here.
You basically proved to everyone here that you did not read my post at all. You basically trolled.
Surfer is constantly in phase now. NOTHING can harm him other than magic backed by life energy.
That means Superman can't heat vision him or punch him.
It means Kyle cant blast him or contain him.
List goes on, It ALSO means the lasso itself may just go through him, Surfers constant phase isn't like theirs, They physically can't touch him like how they counter phasing by matching vibration and re vibrating them solid.