Originally posted by cdtmThe message "All Lives Matters" is bad in the context it was used because it was only used as a fallacy counter point BLM for most Americans.
The message isn't a bad one.I think Ahmaud Arbery's father probably had no clue about the politics behind what he said. It was a heartfelt message of unity.
Some publications still tried to tie it into partisan politics, which I think is disgraceful.
Originally posted by NewjakThat's my point. The simplicity made him sound stupid.
Denmark as strong socialist programs. So Bernie isn't exactly wrong. And the problem here is we're getting into a war of semantics because people care more about the words being used then the actual actions the people want to take.It's the same nonsense that saw people start screaming back "All Lives Matter" to BLM protestors.
It's an actual fallacy and one many Americans use.
Originally posted by BlakemoreNo we could fathom that but considering they already tried labeling Biden as a socialist it's logical to say it didn't really matter who was going to run. Bernie had a good chance at beating Trump in 2020 considering how bad Trump's approval was and that Biden overcame the "socialist" label as well.
So we're in agreement. Sanders fans couldn't fathom that the right really were that retarded.
Originally posted by Newjak
The message "All Lives Matters" is bad in the context it was used because it was only used as a fallacy counter point BLM for most Americans.
The thing of it is, blm has a narrow focus about it.
The right likes to point out black on black crime, and the left shoots them down as gaslighting.
Tell me though, why is Kyle Rittenhouse and George Floyd big news, but the "mutual combatants" were barely worth a side bar?
Black Lives only matter when it's about racism. At least to the media.
Originally posted by Newjak
No we could fathom that but considering they already tried labeling Biden as a socialist it's logical to say it didn't really matter who was going to run. Bernie had a good chance at beating Trump in 2020 considering how bad Trump's approval was and that Biden overcame the "socialist" label as well.
It's just that the Democratic establishment did everything they could to keep Bernie from getting the nomination. And it worked.
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
It's just that the Democratic establishment did everything they could to keep Bernie from getting the nomination. And it worked.
Sanders lost the Democratic primary, because Democratic primary voters did not vote for him. If he cannot win the primary of his own party, then he cannot win a general election.
Dude is old now. It's not like he could win the primary in 2024 and upstage Biden... I mean maybe he could, using the same old politics that Carter and Clinton used... Yet, would anyone accept him now considering he already lost to Obama, Clinton and Biden? I doubt it.
People like centrist Democrats who pander to the weird rednecks for democracy's sake.
Gotta appeal to everyone I guess.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Sanders lost the Democratic primary, because Democratic primary voters did not vote for him. If he cannot win the primary of his own party, then he cannot win a general election.
Yes, I'm sure it all seemed very organic. But he didn't get the votes because he didn't get the big push from the Democratic establishment that Joe Biden did. And in fact he was suppressed. They're afraid of popular progressives.
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Yes, I'm sure it all seemed very organic. But he didn't get the votes because he didn't get the big push from the Democratic establishment that Joe Biden did. And in fact he was suppressed. They're afraid of popular progressives.
The largely black voters from the super Tuesday states gave Biden an insurmountable lead in delegates. Those voters did not want Sanders.
Originally posted by Patient_LeechYou sure it wasn't dickheads from Fox News who tried to make socialism evil? I think that ruined Sanders and lost him votes. Now Biden has to somehow stay in what the US calls "the center."
There's probably even a lot of fear of "socialists" within the Democratic party itself.
Of course Faux News did that. But most democrats don't listen to Faux News.
All the liberals at the time were spreading fear of Sanders and his extreme positions. It was similar fear mongering, but coming from the Democratic establishment. And the Right wing did the same thing to Biden anyway, labeling him a radical socialist (even though he's not).
Originally posted by cdtmNone of what you said actually matters to the point I made.
The thing of it is, blm has a narrow focus about it.The right likes to point out black on black crime, and the left shoots them down as gaslighting.
Tell me though, why is Kyle Rittenhouse and George Floyd big news, but the "mutual combatants" were barely worth a side bar?
Black Lives only matter when it's about racism. At least to the media.
Originally posted by Newjak
None of what you said actually matters to the point I made.
Lets see what you said then:
Originally posted by Newjak
The message "All Lives Matters" is bad in the context it was used because it was only used as a fallacy counter point BLM for most Americans.
My response to that is "No".
Respectfully.
All Lives Matter would be disrespectful if Black Lives Matter was conscious of black lives.
But it is not. If it were, black on black crime fatality would be an issue.
Black Lives Matter is purely concerned with white supremacy. Black lives who die to non whites simply don't matter.