Wonder Woman vs Maxima

Originally posted by beatboks
She scales in flat lime speed above Dianna given she's been shown on panel to be faster than character who are faster than others that Dianna can't match.

Dianna does have better reaction feats (since Maxima doesn't really have many at all).

In strength and durability Maxima has a clear edge.

Then for Dianna we add the lasso, while for Maxima we add TK strong enough to hold class 100s, TP, matter manip, teleportation, simulcrams (duplicates), ferokinisis, and Psionic energy blasts.

Maxima has a lot more powers to bring to the table and an edge in only combat reactions doesn't really compensate for that.

Now scaling would work if a character commented about Maxima's speed in comparison to another speedster. That would be the writer's way of telling the reader how fast Maxima is in comparison to that speedster.

Originally posted by zopzop
They did. Maxima mindphucked her into oblivion. Remember, Maxima is also a planetary level telepath.

There's no marvel characters here, carv

I wouldn't say she is planetary level TP. She is in TK but where TP is concerned probably just below. In TK she held together her planet when it was crumbling apart.

She did Labotomize Brainiac which is a decent TP feats because the version she did it too wasn't a weak TPer. She did however loose to Brainwave Jnr in Extreme Justice. More to the point she lost on the astral plane to the aspect of Brainwave Snr within Jnr that his dad gave him upon his death which increased Jnr's power level.

Pre his death BW Snr was definitely planetary level TPer as he was casting illusions allover the planet at once visible to multitudes. He was also powerful enough when a novice to TP push Corrigan Spectre to feel himself needed elsewhere in ALL star Squadron. Loosing to BW Snr in TP isn't a low showing but it was only an aspect of him not the full him. BW Snr would likely be Xavier level or slightly above. He's certainly above MMH in TP power so on that lets say Maxima scales at 1/2 That (maybe). I think that would fit with stomping standard TP Brainiac

Maxima should beat the everloving shit outta Clark with complete ease based off of powersets and the fact that WW has consistently been shown to be able to hang and sometimes surpass him.

She has a pretty badass powerset if you ask me. Kind of feels like she D&D rolled for random ass powers🤣
Can someone please remind /show me why she is

Maxima should beat the everloving shit outta Clark with complete ease based off of powersets and the fact that WW has consistently been shown to be able to hang and sometimes surpass him.

She has a pretty badass powerset if you ask me. Kind of feels like she D&D rolled for random ass powers🤣
Can someone please remind /show me why she is strong er than WW? Off of what feats?

😂

Originally posted by h1a8
Speed is the deciding factor here. We need to see Maxima's speed feats or a character's comments concerning her speed. Any relative slow character can tag a speedster in a comic (anything can happen in a comic). Doesn't mean the slow character is as fast as the speedster.

Now scaling would work if a character commented about Maxima's speed in comparison to another speedster. That would be the writer's way of telling the reader how fast Maxima is in comparison to that speedster.

I disagree that speed is the deciding Factor but if it is maximum has the speed advantage it was stated on panel by Jay Garrick that she's as fast as him and that's the reference on referring to Diana comparatively cannot keep up with Jesse quick who is not as fast as Jay. Ive been looking for the scan but can't find it yet.

Given however that Maxima can instantly teleport light-years distance and has done so to one of her people.

And has casually teleported herself

The point is mute

Originally posted by beatboks
I disagree that speed is the deciding Factor but if it is maximum has the speed advantage it was stated on panel by Jay Garrick that she's as fast as him and that's the reference on referring to Diana comparatively cannot keep up with Jesse quick who is not as fast as Jay. Ive been looking for the scan but can't find it yet.

Given however that Maxima can instantly teleport light-years distance and has done so to one of her people.

And has casually teleported herself

The point is mute

Imagine a character that can only manage to move his/her hand 1mm after 1 min time or takes 1 min to make a simple thought. To a significantly faster character, the slower character would appear this way.

That's why speed is relevant. It is equivalent to fighting a statue who cant make an action within the 1st min.

If a character, in real time, takes 0.4 of a second to teleport (starting with making the decision to teleport and then the time it takes to activate the power) then that character would be frozen for at least minutes to a character with light speed reflexes and limb movement before they even teleport. Remember a statue who can teleport (and do many other things) is still a statue LONG before they teleport (or do those other things).

Here's the kicker:
1. One can not teleport a being who they can't lock on to (a fast moving being with changing locations)
2. One who teleports back to a different location on the battlefield is still a statue once they appear back.

I need to see the Jay scan and your last scan isn't working.

The difference in speed your suggesting is a massive one. The difference between Maxima and Diaña isn't

In that above scan Superman compares Maxima's strength and speed to Matrix (Supergirl level)

Maxima mind controlling WW

Originally posted by beatboks
The difference in speed your suggesting is a massive one. The difference between Maxima and Diaña isn't

What issue is this? I want to read it to make sure there is no specific plot points.

I have never seen maxima move with super speed.

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Action-Comics-1938/Issue-651?id=25923

Action comics #651

Originally posted by h1a8
What issue is this? I want to read it to make sure there is no specific plot points.

I have never seen maxima move with super speed.

You haven't seen a lot of things that you argue for/against. Hasn't stopped you before

Originally posted by beatboks
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Action-Comics-1938/Issue-651?id=25923

Action comics #651

Ok thanks.
So I'll argue this: Obviously Maxima has some type of flight superspeed. But all superspeed isn't the same. In other words, having super speed in itself would not prevent one from being a statue or a slowski to WW. You need a certain level of superspeed for that.

Also, the comic doesn't really display her with significant reflexes (perception speed) on the level in which WW can attack. Maxima always managed to get tagged by relative slow attacks and never shown contradictory showings.

WW has lassoed Zoom before.

Lastly, the comic displayed One smack from Superman koed her. PIS maybe? Unless you want to give Superman a strength feat there?

This fight is a quick draw scenario. If WW manages to land the first blow then she wins. If Maxima happens to TP WW (which could take more than a half of a second) then she wins.

Since I'm not convinced of Maxima's quick draw speed and perception speed I'm still saying that WW wins.

Originally posted by beatboks
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Action-Comics-1938/Issue-651?id=25923

Action comics #651

Don't bother.

Originally posted by h1a8
WW has lassoed Zoom before.

Now this is hilarious.
You want to know an issue so you can check context 're Maxima's speed but post this BS as an example of Diana's speed.

In WW 214 when Diaña "lassoed" Zoom wasn't an example of speed but CIS for Zoom. Zolomon was standing still and punching one of the Amazon's hundreds of times while holding her to make WW suffer to make her a better hero.

Is tagging someone who isn't moving now a speed feat?

Yet we ignore the fact that Maxima regularly fights Superman, not just tagging him but dodging his blows. Has Fought Capt Marvel (also dodging his blows) both of whom are faster in travel speed than WW.

We ignore the fact that Maxima took more blows and lusted longer than Diaña vs Doomsday in Dos.

We ignore the fact that Maxima actually impervious when WW isn't

We ignore the fact that her simulcrums have done better vs Superman than WW has.

We ignore the fact that she has been able to TP Clark who is faster than Diana. Has been able to mind blast one shot Orion who has better mental defenses than WW.

What exactly does WW do to Maxima with all this vaunted greater speed? She can't actually do her any damage.

Now this is hilarious.
You want to know an issue so you can check context 're Maxima's speed but post this BS as an example of Diana's speed.
In WW 214 when Diaña "lassoed" Zoom wasn't an example of speed but CIS for Zoom. Zolomon was standing still and punching one of the Amazon's hundreds of times while holding her to make WW suffer to make her a better hero.
Is tagging someone who isn't moving now a speed feat?

Yet we ignore the fact that Maxima regularly fights Superman, not just tagging him but dodging his blows. Has Fought Capt Marvel (also dodging his blows) both of whom are faster in travel speed than WW.

We ignore the fact that Maxima took more blows and lusted longer than Diaña vs Doomsday in Dos.

We ignore the fact that Maxima actually impervious when WW isn't

We ignore the fact that her simulcrums have done better vs Superman than WW has.

We ignore the fact that she has been able to TP Clark who is faster than Diana. Has been able to mind blast one shot Orion who has better mental defenses than WW.

What exactly does WW do to Maxima with all this vaunted greater speed? She can't actually do her any damage.

Originally posted by h1a8
Zoom was moving at superspeed when WW lassoed him. :

No he wasn't.
He had just held up an Amazon punching her for a second.
He had a few time duplicates of himself.
WW kicked some stones to see which was the real one and then lassoed it.

Zoom was moving a hell of a lot less than than Superman does in those battles your referencing (grundy etc)

On which, none of those characters ever DODGE Supes, they tank the blow. Maxima actually dodges. Just like in the issue I linked where you claim she had no reactuon feat she catches the arm of Superman speeding at her and judo throws him (again he was moving more than Zoom in WW 214 hypocrite)