Originally posted by beatboks
Now this is hilarious.
You want to know an issue so you can check context 're Maxima's speed but post this BS as an example of Diana's speed.In WW 214 when Diaña "lassoed" Zoom wasn't an example of speed but CIS for Zoom. Zolomon was standing still and punching one of the Amazon's hundreds of times while holding her to make WW suffer to make her a better hero.
Is tagging someone who isn't moving now a speed feat?
Yet we ignore the fact that Maxima regularly fights Superman, not just tagging him but dodging his blows. Has Fought Capt Marvel (also dodging his blows) both of whom are faster in travel speed than WW.
We ignore the fact that Maxima took more blows and lusted longer than Diaña vs Doomsday in Dos.
We ignore the fact that Maxima actually impervious when WW isn't
We ignore the fact that her simulcrums have done better vs Superman than WW has.
We ignore the fact that she has been able to TP Clark who is faster than Diana. Has been able to mind blast one shot Orion who has better mental defenses than WW.
What exactly does WW do to Maxima with all this vaunted greater speed? She can't actually do her any damage.
well Diana recently beat Shaggyman in Rebirth who the JL had trouble putting down
Originally posted by carver9
Wonder Woman has blitzed Amazo and yes, with flight speed as well. Theres no way Maxima is as fast as her. She has also tied Amazo up before he had the chance to react. Same will happen here.
Because TK powerfulbenoughnto hold together a crumbling planet can't possibly keep a rope off her. What a crock
Originally posted by beatboks
Because TK powerfulbenoughnto hold together a crumbling planet can't possibly keep a rope off her. What a crock
Maxima is more of a brawler than anything and is she on average portrayed at those levels? There's no way she is holding Diana in place and taking her out, especially with the speed gap here.
Diana has outright blitzed Amazo on more than one occasion. Blitzed Zoom, tagged Flash, too fast for Amazo to hit. The speed gap between these 2 is HUGE. A more solid argument can be made of Diana tying Maxima up than Maxima holding Diana in place with TK... example
Diana ties Amazo up before he could finish a though or react...
https://m.imgur.com/gallery/zI3P5
She out reacts Amazo again...
And again...
I can post her doing the same to Supergirl and Superman if you want.
Originally posted by beatboks
No he wasn't.
He had just held up an Amazon punching her for a second.
He had a few time duplicates of himself.
WW kicked some stones to see which was the real one and then lassoed it.Zoom was moving a hell of a lot less than than Superman does in those battles your referencing (grundy etc)
On which, none of those characters ever DODGE Supes, they tank the blow. Maxima actually dodges. Just like in the issue I linked where you claim she had no reactuon feat she catches the arm of Superman speeding at her and judo throws him (again he was moving more than Zoom in WW 214 hypocrite)
Duplicates of himself? I thought that was him moving at superspeed.
I could be wrong as it been a long time. I'll check that comic out again and get back with you.
Edit: just reread through the issue. Zoom was in superspeed mode when you see multiple images of him. So the feat is far more impressive than you realize.
Maxima is fast enough to deal with Wonder Woman if they were to duke it out.
As has already been mentioned in this thread, Maxima's appearance in 'Action Comics 651' already puts her reaction times in the right ballpark.
Superman's thought balloon says, "I come to investigate an explosion, and I find something rocketing aloft -- at escape velocity".
- That something is Sazu being TK-piloted into orbit, with Maxima following.
- Superman uses his super-speed to fly past Maxima and loop back so that he's charging her from the front.
- As they are about to intercept one another, Maxima is fast enough to perceive the right moment to grab Superman's arm and judo-throw him back in the direction that he came from.
As Superman approaches street-level from being thrown, he recovers and his word balloon says, "She's certainly strong, and fast ! This reminds me of my first encounter with the Matrix." This is in reference to 'Superman 21' where Clark was being pursued by Matrix Supergirl in the clouds. Superman sensed that he was being followed from behind so he used his super-speed to fly up, over, and back down in a loop to get behind Matrix Supergirl -- eventually, catching her by the ankle.
Once Superman flies up back to within reach of Maxima far above Metropolis, she zips around him and says, "Can you catch me Superman? Do try! I have waited so long for this -- do not disappoint me!"
"Remarkable." reads Superman's thought balloon.
Originally posted by beatboks
Doomsday was in WW 111, and 112 , but of course we just ignore any feats that we dont like, or claim they are something different
Although WW took multiple blows just fine, That wasn't the real dd.
Like I said, WW wasn't in DOS.
Are you trying to troll me?
Originally posted by Arabus
Maxima is fast enough to deal with Wonder Woman if they were to duke it out.As has already been mentioned in this thread, Maxima's appearance in 'Action Comics 651' already puts her reaction times in the right ballpark.
Superman's thought balloon says, "I come to investigate an explosion, and I find something rocketing aloft -- at [B]escape velocity
".- That something is Sazu being TK-piloted into orbit, with Maxima following.
- Superman uses his super-speed to fly past Maxima and loop back so that he's charging her from the front.
- As they are about to intercept one another, Maxima is fast enough to perceive the right moment to grab Superman's arm and judo-throw him back in the direction that he came from.As Superman approaches street-level from being thrown, he recovers and his word balloon says, "She's certainly strong, and fast ! This reminds me of my first encounter with the Matrix." This is in reference to 'Superman 21' where Clark was being pursued by Matrix Supergirl in the clouds. Superman sensed that he was being followed from behind so he used his super-speed to fly up, over, and back down in a loop to get behind Matrix Supergirl -- eventually, catching her by the ankle.
Once Superman flies up back to within reach of Maxima far above Metropolis, she zips around him and says, "Can you catch me Superman? Do try! I have waited so long for this -- do not disappoint me!"
"Remarkable." reads Superman's thought balloon. [/B]
Do you think we are stupid and blind? Superman wasn't moving when she grabbed him and through him (or at least trying to talk to her).
Flying at escape velocity is not combat speed (perception speed and limb speed). Escape velocity is a statue when it comes to the speed of light.
Maxima zipping around is a speed feat but it's not quantifiable. Is she moving bullet speed, rocket speed, etc? WW has light speed perceptions and limb movement speed. WW is far faster than Maxima. WW has a sword that can end the fight with one strike. WW has a lasso too.
Originally posted by carver9
Maxima is more of a brawler than anything and is she on average portrayed at those levels? There's no way she is holding Diana in place and taking her out, especially with the speed gap here.Diana has outright blitzed Amazo on more than one occasion. Blitzed Zoom, tagged Flash, too fast for Amazo to hit. The speed gap between these 2 is HUGE. A more solid argument can be made of Diana tying Maxima up than Maxima holding Diana in place with TK... example
Diana ties Amazo up before he could finish a though or react...
https://m.imgur.com/gallery/zI3P5
She out reacts Amazo again...
And again...
I can post her doing the same to Supergirl and Superman if you want.
So?
Maxima has blitzed Supes too.
I'd be a lot more interested innthebscanof WW Aledgedly blitzing Zoom. Yeah show us that scan
Originally posted by beatboks
So?
Maxima has blitzed Supes too.I'd be a lot more interested innthebscanof WW Aledgedly blitzing Zoom. Yeah show us that scan
Sigh... the scan i posted that you're quoting outright said Amazo have the speed of the Flash and Diana not only blitzed him before he could react, she blitzed him and tied up his entire upper half before he could complete a sentence in his mind. Maxima can't match that. Then we have her in my other scans tying up Amazo, the same Amazo where she said this (read who she say he is faster then)
He couldn't touch her...
She blitz him...
Couldn't touch her.
There's no way you think Maxima is as fast as Diana. You don't believe it.
Originally posted by carver9
Sigh... the scan i posted that you're quoting outright said Amazo have the speed of the Flash and Diana not only blitzed him before he could react, she blitzed him and tied up his entire upper half before he could complete a sentence in his mind. Maxima can't match that. Then we have her in my other scans tying up Amazo, the same Amazo where she said this (read who she say he is faster then)He couldn't touch her...
She blitz him...
Couldn't touch her.
There's no way you think Maxima is as fast as Diana. You don't believe it.
So you don't have the scan I asked for?
I never asked for scan of Amazo dude. Don't give a crap about Amazo because he is never shown outspeeding flash or anyone even with "their speed". Just because he has a power doesn't mean he uses it the same.
I replied to a post of yours where you said WW had blitzed ZOOM. That is the guy that even when Wally West was amped by speed from both Jay and Barry he couldn't even perceive moving.
I want to see this aledged scan of WW blitzing zolomon.
So SIGH yourself
Originally posted by beatboks
[B]So you don't have the scan I asked for?I never asked for scan of Amazo dude. Don't give a crap about Amazo because he is never shown outspeeding flash or anyone even with "their speed". Just because he has a power doesn't mean he uses it the same.
I replied to a post of yours where you said WW had blitzed ZOOM. That is the guy that even when Wally West was amped by speed from both Jay and Barry he couldn't even perceive moving.
I want to see this aledged scan of WW blitzing zolomon.
So SIGH yourself [/B]
Blitz Zoom...
Tie him up...
Also, when Amazo have his speed, lol, he does use it. Here he blotz both Superman and Flash.
https://comicnewbies.com/2020/11/02/superman-and-the-flash-vs-amazo/amp/
And again, Amazo under this same writer, under the same arc, had Flash speed when Wonder Woman tied him up.
Originally posted by carver9
Blitz Zoom...Tie him up...
Also, when Amazo have his speed, lol, he does use it. Here he blotz both Superman and Flash.
https://comicnewbies.com/2020/11/02/superman-and-the-flash-vs-amazo/amp/
And again, Amazo under this same writer, under the same arc, had Flash speed when Wonder Woman tied him up.
I also never said Amazo doesn't use speed Carv, I said he doesn't use it the same as Flash. Amazo doesn't ever show huge reaction speed. He has failed to dodge many JLAers who don't even have super speed
To prove that he downstairs the power the same as Flash here are some other images from the JLA #6 the WW lassoing Amazo scan is from.
So I guess Hawkgirl, Red Arrow and Vixen are all faster than Flash now
😄
Originally posted by beatboks
So no "blitz" of Zoom then as you started.
Tagging him because he didn't expect her to be able to perceive him isn't a blitź.I also never said Amazo doesn't use speed Carv, I said he doesn't use it the same as Flash. Amazo doesn't ever show huge reaction speed. He has failed to dodge many JLAers who don't even have super speed
To prove that he downstairs the power the same as Flash here are some other images from the JLA #6 the WW lassoing Amazo scan is from.
So I guess Hawkgirl, Red Arrow and Vixen are all faster than Flash now
😄
He was looking right at her, lol and she tagged him before he could react. That is a blitz.
Lol... different writer, different book and Flash gets tagged all of the time, so he doesn't use his speed either? Hell, Nightwing has tied Flash up during mid blitz. Batman has hit metal Dogs when Flash couldn't. Gorilla Grodd, Solomon Grundy, Titus, and Konvikt has tagged Flash. Let me guess, he doesn't have speed as well?
You also posted scans of him getting shot in the back but under the same breath say that Zoom was caught off guard. You also posted an amped Vixen who stole power and speed from JLA members damaging Amazo.
Youre better than this beatbox...
Also, I guess Superman was holding back when he fought Maxima. Here he blitz TF out of her and then treats her like fodder afterwards...
Originally posted by h1a8
Superman wasn't moving when she grabbed him and through him (or at least trying to talk to her).
?
Superman is clearly looping back and flying at her in the panel before she grabs him. Again, Superman pulled a similar super-speed loop back in 'Superman 21' that Clark remembers when he encountered Matrix Supergirl. The difference this time is that Superman is on the receiving end of being tagged, and he says, "She's certainly strong, and fast!"
Originally posted by h1a8
Flying at escape velocity is not combat speed (perception speed and limb speed).
If Maxima didn't have the commensurate combat speed (perception speed and limb speed) to go with her travel speed in this instance, she would have just plowed into Superman.
Originally posted by h1a8
Escape velocity is a statue when it comes to the speed of light.
The Wonder Woman that I think Maxima should be able to take out is the one that went up against Superman in 'Wonder Woman 219'. Max Lord tricked Superman into thinking that he was Doomsday. No sooner had Wonder Woman barely had the chance to block Superman's heat vision than Superman was flying away with her at speed with his hands at her throat. There's a sonic boom, and just as she watches the world recede behind them, she realizes that he's going to toss her into the sun.
Originally posted by carver9Lol... different writer, different book and Flash gets tagged all of the time, so he doesn't use his speed either? Hell, Nightwing has tied Flash up during mid blitz. Batman has hit metal Dogs when Flash couldn't. Gorilla Grodd, Solomon Grundy, Titus, and Konvikt has tagged Flash. Let me guess, he doesn't have speed as well?
You also posted scans of him getting shot in the back but under the same breath say that Zoom was caught off guard. You also posted an amped Vixen who stole power and speed from JLA members damaging Amazo.
Youre better than this beatbox...
Also, I guess Superman was holding back when he fought Maxima. Here he blitz TF out of her and then treats her like fodder afterwards...
It wasn't a different book let alone writer. It was from the EXACT same issue that your wonder woman roping him scan was from.
Totally missing the point I see. Amazo let HG hit him, he didn't even move to DODGE Vixen (who BTW wasnt shown using great speed).he has super hearing and the senses of all the league yet does nothing to avoid Red Arrow's arrow. He has speed but he isn't worried about damage so doesn't react to avoid it. Superman is often the same. Flash doesn't have their damage soak, the way he reacts to things is different as those very same things can do a LOT of damage to his normal human durability.
Zoom is a character that holds back all the time. He wants it to be a contestant and to test the heroes. He had no reason to even believe Diana could even perceive him as he could tell she was blind. It even states it in writing on panel, WW explained she was blind but not deaf AFTER she struck him. It his CIS, not a faster than Zoom feat. Just like all those FLASH tags are. None are meant to be an example of x faster than Flash.
Tagging someone isn't a blitź, a blitź would have finished the fight before they could react. That fight wasn't finished.
Also Carv, the scans you have of Maxima vs Supes in that last post. You do realize she was also psionically evacuating her entire race while fighting him, right?
A pretty big part of her focus was not on the fight at all and she was trying to reason with him and explain at the time.
What's next scans of her simulcrums getting beaten (simulcrums that don't have all her powers to their normal level- like in extreme Justice where a simulacrum is cut in half by a sword where Maxima is normally impervious
