Dr Doom vs Hal Jordan

Started by JBL3 pages

Anyway, Doom, and it's not even close.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil

here’s one of them. This is him talking to himself. Clearly states it was all a challenge:

later on he reconciled with the council of Reed. They confirm everything that happened during Secret Wars. The only thing he was unsure of was if using the beyonders power he was brainwashed. Reed showed that it was not the case via dooms own memories:

the thing between both Doom and Reed isn’t a thing of fear. It’s just about a thing of respect. But it’s more about challenges and ego. He simply believes he is right. This has been shown during the Doomwar story where he met the panther god

And yet...

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Poor Doom. Owning himself.

Fear... inferiority. Like I said, not a good candidate for the emerald corps. Maybe avarice or something

Just a speculation here : Doom could perhaps use his will power to overcome all his short comings ie fear or ego etc.. he once stripped the molecule man of self doubt and fear etc and made him quite powerful ...

Originally posted by Sin I AM
And yet...

Fear... inferiority. Like I said, not a good candidate for the emerald corps. Maybe avarice or something

There is not example of fear or inadequacy in ANYTHING you have just sent. That’s from the most recent Dr Doom series. I’ve already read it.
In no way does it show inadequacy because doom does not see himself as inadequate or unable to accomplish the task. Notice those are all Doombots showing ‘doubt’. Doubt and Fear are two different concepts. I’d also like to point out that doombots are made to make themselves seem like doom. They have the resources and information but time and time again have been proven to be different:

this should sum up the difference:

Originally posted by ozz81
Just a speculation here : Doom could perhaps use his will power to overcome all his short comings ie fear or ego etc.. he once stripped the molecule man of self doubt and fear etc and made him quite powerful ...

He could, everything is within the realm of possibility in comics. Yea he has a strong will but my understanding of the ring, I don't think it is in his wheelhouse.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
There is not example of fear or inadequacy in ANYTHING you have just sent. That’s from the most recent Dr Doom series. I’ve already read it.
In no way does it show inadequacy because doom does not see himself as inadequate or unable to accomplish the task. Notice those are all Doombots showing ‘doubt’. Doubt and Fear are two different concepts. I’d also like to point out that doombots are made to make themselves seem like doom. They have the resources and information but time and time again have been proven to be different:

Then I don't know what to tell you. It's blatantly obvious from artist depiction and dialogue that he's filled with doubt. The conversation got under his skin, the uncertainty is apparent. The doombots were boosting his ego while he was unsure. Reread the book

Also to caveat the doombots represent doom so in essence he's basically talking to himself.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
He could, everything is within the realm of possibility in comics. Yea he has a strong will but my understanding of the ring, I don't think it is in his wheelhouse.

Then I don't know what to tell you. It's blatantly obvious from artist depiction and dialogue that he's filled with doubt. The conversation got under his skin, the uncertainty is apparent. The doombots were boosting his ego while he was unsure. Reread the book

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Also to caveat the doombots represent doom so in essence he's basically talking to himself.

again, fear and doubt are too different things. The doombots are made in his likeness not a representation of his essence. This was also mentioned in the same comic.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
again, fear and doubt are too different things. The doombots are made in his likeness not a representation of his essence. This was also mentioned in the same comic.

so you agree he is doubting himself

Originally posted by Sin I AM
so you agree he is doubting himself

I thought that was clear lol? Yes he did have doubt but again fear and doubt are 2 very different things. Hell, Hal has doubted himself before. Kyle Rayner definitely has doubted himself before.

When Kyle doubted himself he was unable to work the ring.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
After the Marquis of death caused the atoms in his body to die and sent him back millions of years....

he spent those million of years fighting and using the black arts to change his atoms so they wouldn’t fail him. All to get him back to the final moments of the Marquis of Death where he killed him. That’s a pure and unadulterated showing of his will power to survive:


That was retconned in Dark Avengers.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
When Kyle doubted himself he was unable to work the ring.

I was actually talking about the instance in New 52 New Guardians where Kyle outright says he is always scared

The ring itself even states ‘sometimes fear is a healthy reaction’

Kyle has consistent doubt once in a while. But what I actually touched on was fear rather then doubt.

Goes back into green

Yes but I am talking about doubt.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes but I am talking about doubt.

I just said ‘what I actually touched on was fear not doubt’

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Kyle has consistent doubt once in a while. But what I actually touched on was fear rather then doubt.

SIN said fear is not good for the emerald core, but Kyle is always scared.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
And yet...

Fear... inferiority. Like I said, not a good candidate for the emerald corps. Maybe avarice or something