Originally posted by Booya_69
Surfers own durability has always been better than his board. For example:God cable destroyed the board, yet ss was no selling his blasts.
Morg cut the board in half, but couldn’t cut ss in half.
Firelord shattered the board, but couldn’t do it to the surfer.What were you saying about moving the goalposts again?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Again, almost dying isn't a feat. And lulz at bringing Zaar here, as if Surfer is always fighting Galactus level beings.
What Zaar level character damaged Surfer anywhere close to what Zaar did to Superman?
So if I got into a fist fight against a full grown elephant and survived an all out thrashing from it, you wouldn't be impressed?
Originally posted by carver9
What Zaar level character damaged Surfer anywhere close to what Zaar did to Superman?So if I got into a fist fight against a full grown elephant and survived an all out thrashing from it, you wouldn't be impressed?
No.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Below Zaar you mean? Even some random Alephs have pierced Surfer just fine. A random monster was beating the shit out of him In Thy Name. That's just the top of my head.No.
Maybe I should've said recently.
Then you're a nut if you're not impressed with a human surviving a thrashing from an all out elephant.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85If he survived that elephants all out attack, then yes he tanked it. The other option is being killed. Superman and Doomsday were tanking each other's attack until the very end. Tanking something is not being destroyed or killed by an attack or blast. Just like Superman could not tank a gas station explosion. He got koed, so he DIDN'T tank it because it put him down for the count, yet gladiator tanked an explosion that would have annihilated half the solar system, he TANKED it because it couldn't put him down for the count.
Carver, would you say you tanked that elephant?
It's amazing how certain people lack understanding. Tanking something means still being able to function no matter what the condition of the person or object is. If a train hits a car and that car is able to be driven away, it TANKED that collision. NAVY SHIPS HAVE TANKED TORPEDOES BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T GO DOWN, even though they were damaged.
Originally posted by JBL
It's amazing how certain people lack understanding. Tanking something means still being able to function no matter what the condition of the person or object is. If a train hits a car and that car is able to be driven away, it TANKED that collision. NAVY SHIPS HAVE TANKED TORPEDOES BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T GO DOWN, even though they were damaged.
I just wanted to be clear and want to know if Carv also feels this way.
Because as for this thread, as per that definition....Thor tanked a vastly amped Hulk's punch:
https://imgur.com/gallery/Nn3lJKs
Thor was still able to function, able to get up, and talk etc. His memory was still intact (he was able to know who Cap was, who Odin was etc etc).
Originally posted by JBL
If he survived that elephants all out attack, then yes he tanked it. The other option is being killed. Superman and Doomsday were tanking each other's attack until the very end. Tanking something is not being destroyed or killed by an attack or blast. Just like Superman could not tank a gas station explosion. He got koed, so he DIDN'T tank it because it put him down for the count, yet gladiator tanked an explosion that would have annihilated half the solar system, he TANKED it because it couldn't put him down for the count.
So which is it? Surviving or KOed?
If that elephant KOd Carver, apparently you don't count it as tanking - but in the same post, say the only other alternative is dying.
What if the elephant stood on his back, breaking it and paralyzing him? He's not KOd, he's not dead - that's another option.
Or it rips his arms off. Now he can still get up, still walk around - but with no arms. Is he tanking the elephant?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So how do you draw the line at PIS and not?Batman is merely human. Yet tanks herald attacks.
Surfer is merely herald. Yet tanks (according to your definition) abstract attacks.
So why is Batman's PIS, and Surfer's not?
For me, tanking is you standing there and taking the attack, maybe your head moves (if it hits your chin) and smiling.Not floating there until your (damaged) board swoops in and saves you.
Still waiting on where you draw the line on PIS for all these fictional characters. Because atm, ALL of the JLA TANKED a magical kryptonian here:
Whereas, imo - only Lantern and Batman are tanking it here.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Tanking something means being damaged or hurt but still being able to function. Like I said, if a car is hit by a train and damaged yet can be still driven down the street, then that car tanked that blow. If that car was hit by that train and took no damage at all.. then that's no selling. You are confusing the two. When Superman fired his heat vision at Thor it was hurting Thor but Thor was tanking it because he was still coming at Superman. But when human torch hit Gladiator with his fire, Gladiator no sold it because he was not damaged whatsoever.
I just wanted to be clear and want to know if Carv also feels this way.Because as for this thread, as per that definition....Thor tanked a vastly amped Hulk's punch:
https://imgur.com/gallery/Nn3lJKs
Thor was still able to function, able to get up, and talk etc. His memory was still intact (he was able to know who Cap was, who Odin was etc etc).
So which is it? Surviving or KOed?
If that elephant KOd Carver, apparently you don't count it as tanking - but in the same post, say the only other alternative is dying.
What if the elephant stood on his back, breaking it and paralyzing him? He's not KOd, he's not dead - that's another option.
Or it rips his arms off. Now he can still get up, still walk around - but with no arms. Is he tanking the elephant?
Still waiting on where you draw the line on PIS for all these fictional characters. Because atm, ALL of the JLA TANKED a magical kryptonian here:
Whereas, imo - only Lantern and Batman are tanking it here.
Like I said, I want to see how Carver sees things. As it means Thor tanked a vastly amped Hulk, and it means the entire JLa tanked a magical Kryptonian in that scan.
And Batman tanks heralds. You never told me where you drew the line, why he is PIS and Surfer isn't. They are both fictional characters, and if you use the old 'he's just a human', then everything gets thrown out as nothing he does is human.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Surfer can bath in water at 2000 degrees, batman cannot.
Like I said, I want to see how Carver sees things. As it means Thor tanked a vastly amped Hulk, and it means the entire JLa tanked a magical Kryptonian in that scan.And Batman tanks heralds. You never told me where you drew the line, why he is PIS and Surfer isn't. They are both fictional characters, and if you use the old 'he's just a human', then everything gets thrown out as nothing he does is human.
Originally posted by JBL
Surfer can bath in water at 2000 degrees, batman cannot.
What does 2000 degree water have to do with abstracts lol.
My question was if a low Meta (or street, up to you) level character like Batman 'tanking' attacks from several levels above him (i.e. heralds) is PIS, why is a heralds 'tanking' abstract level attacks NOT PIS?
I don't think you understand my question very well, lol. In both examples, a character is tanking attacks from other characters who are several levels above them.
Yet Batman is PIS, but Surfer isn't. Why?
By the by, here is Batman 'tanking' a bloodlusted Superman's HV, which is far beyond 2000 degrees.
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/11128/111282288/5156505-p00008.jpg
Unlike with WW/Doomsday, he wasn't out to torture Batman/Ruin. He wanted to kill him:
https://i.postimg.cc/q7hXys8H/RCO012-1469638242.jpg
Batman of course was still able to have the presence of mind to hold onto the floor and prevent himself from being sucked out of the satellite - he was still functioning:
https://i.postimg.cc/Xq8w4Q0d/RCO009-1469638242.jpg
My point with these scans being, you say that Batman can't swim in 2000 degree water (neither can Surfer, btw, as that is physically impossible lol) - but in comics, he has 'tanked' (as per your and Booya's definition) HV from a bloodlusted herald, one of the highest in DC/Marvel (I won't say the highest, as that is another discussion lmao).
And how powerful is Superman's HV when he wants to heat water up?
He creates a miniature, localised supernova:
https://i.imgur.com/88532V3.jpg
So yeah, Batman tanked Superman's HV, which in that specific scenario was arguably hotter than 2000 degrees.
But back to the point, in both scenarios, a character 'tanks' attacks from other characters several levels above them. But Surfer is not PIS, and Batman is?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Batman tanks attacks because he's a hero and therefore will not be allowed to be killed. He's protected by pis. Surfer on the other hand was created by Galactus to transverse the universe which consists of stars, black holes radiation and such. Big difference.
And how powerful is Superman's HV when he wants to heat water up?He creates a miniature, localised supernova:
https://i.imgur.com/88532V3.jpgSo yeah, Batman tanked Superman's HV, which in that specific scenario was arguably hotter than 2000 degrees.
But back to the point, in both scenarios, a character 'tanks' attacks from other characters several levels above them. But Surfer is not PIS, and Batman is?
Originally posted by JBL
Batman tanks attacks because he's a hero and therefore will not be allowed to be killed. He's protected by pis. Surfer on the other hand was created by Galactus to transverse the universe which consists of stars, black holes radiation and such. Big difference.
Surfer is also a hero, and Marvel writers don't allow him to be killed. So why isn't he protected by PIS?
He doesn't exist either. They are both fictional characters, lol. I am just wondering why we have these double standards. Surfer is a herald who 'tanks' abstract level attacks - not PIS. Batman is a meta who 'tank' herald level attacks - PIS.
If a writer tomorrow wanted to write a scene where Batman stands in the middle of the Omega Effect and laughs at Darkseid, he can (subject to editors etc of course, lol). If he wants to jump ship to work for Marvel, and have Surfer get KOd by a literal flying brick thrown by Daredevil, he also can.
But BOTH scenes would exist, and BOTH scenes would be in canon comics (assuming its not in an Elsewords/What If, of course). And we just have to bend over and take it.
