Originally posted by Diesldude
he got hit by the light which temporarily blinded him. Nothing more.
Read a comic for once, YEAH that's why the blast happened right next to him and the impact of it was felt by the guy for eons, totally didn't hit or anything etc
He's obviously in the Big Bang, You EVEN see him enveloped in the explosion.
😂
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
What did I do?All I'm doing is lecturing people like I usually do but somehow i'm always given a warning. If you don't like me just say that
Trolling, disrupting and basically ruining threads. Not to mention a few comments that are dangerously close to bashing if not over the line. So a combination of things, really.
I don't care about you enough to like or dislike you. I'd just like to be able to come on here and read threads without the same few people ruining them every time.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Knull tanked the Big Bang
What Knull experienced, didn't have the properties of the Big Bang, therefore the feat cannot be quantified. In the comic, an explosion of some sort occurred in a particular direction, the shockwave of which then approached Knull. In contrast, the actual Big Bang is (spatially) highly homogeneous and isotropic: every direction looks the same from any comoving observer's point of view.
Knull obviously had shape, space, and time before that weird explosion occurred, but those properties didn't exist in our universe before the BB! Thus, either the explosion Knull saw wasn't the Big Bang, or he was in some other, parallel universe and experienced it in some metaphorical sense. Either way, there's no way to quantify it.
Originally posted by -Pr-👆 yeah no problem.
So, reading back through posts, I've realised that there's a few of you that have basically crossed the line enough to warrant bans. Seeing as how there's a group of you, I'll let you decide as a group.Alberto, Diesel, JBL, Carver and TheHulkster.
You guys wanna behave, or you want til January off?
Originally posted by Magnon
You cannot get hit by the Big Bang, since it happens everywhere -- colloquially, it is not an explosion *in* space; it is an explosion *of* space. More technically, Big Bang refers to the rapid metric expansion of the early spacetime: first, the scale factor of the cosmos (i.e. the multiplier of the spatial part of the Friedmann-Robertson-Walker metric) became non-zero and then it grew rapidly, causing stuff to become separated by finite and increasing spatial distances.What Knull experienced, didn't have the properties of the Big Bang, therefore the feat cannot be quantified. In the comic, an explosion of some sort occurred in a particular direction, the shockwave of which then approached Knull. In contrast, the actual Big Bang is (spatially) highly homogeneous and isotropic: every direction looks the same from any comoving observer's point of view.
Knull obviously had shape, space, and time before that weird explosion occurred, but those properties didn't exist in our universe before the BB! Thus, either the explosion Knull saw wasn't the Big Bang, or he was in some other, parallel universe and experienced it in some metaphorical sense. Either way, there's no way to quantify it.
And all of that is wrong
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Read a comic for once, YEAH that's why the blast happened right next to him and the impact of it was felt by the guy for eons, totally didn't hit or anything etcHe's obviously in the Big Bang, You EVEN see him enveloped in the explosion.
😂
It's amazing how people tend to downplay Marvel due to being the superior company
Originally posted by -Pr-
So, reading back through posts, I've realised that there's a few of you that have basically crossed the line enough to warrant bans. Seeing as how there's a group of you, I'll let you decide as a group.Alberto, Diesel, JBL, Carver and TheHulkster.
You guys wanna behave, or you want til January off?
I just got back. I'll just simply say Knull wins and part ways with this thread.
Originally posted by Magnon👆
You cannot get hit by the Big Bang, since it happens everywhere -- colloquially, it is not an explosion *in* space; it is an explosion *of* space. More technically, Big Bang refers to the rapid metric expansion of the early spacetime: first, the scale factor of the cosmos (i.e. the multiplier of the spatial part of the Friedmann-Robertson-Walker metric) became non-zero and then it grew rapidly, causing stuff to become separated by finite and increasing spatial distances.What Knull experienced, didn't have the properties of the Big Bang, therefore the feat cannot be quantified. In the comic, an explosion of some sort occurred in a particular direction, the shockwave of which then approached Knull. In contrast, the actual Big Bang is (spatially) highly homogeneous and isotropic: every direction looks the same from any comoving observer's point of view.
Knull obviously had shape, space, and time before that weird explosion occurred, but those properties didn't exist in our universe before the BB! Thus, either the explosion Knull saw wasn't the Big Bang, or he was in some other, parallel universe and experienced it in some metaphorical sense. Either way, there's no way to quantify it.
Knull was already in space [that's what the Celestials call his kingdom/realm [see the 2nd scan] -- which comes after the big bang] when the light appeared -- and that light was that of the Celestials populating the cosmos:
https://ibb.co/J2MnyL5
https://ibb.co/cY9NXxZ [2nd scan]
Never trust anything you read without checking yourself, for obvious reasons.
Originally posted by Magnon
You cannot get hit by the Big Bang, since it happens everywhere -- colloquially, it is not an explosion *in* space; it is an explosion *of* space. More technically, Big Bang refers to the rapid metric expansion of the early spacetime: first, the scale factor of the cosmos (i.e. the multiplier of the spatial part of the Friedmann-Robertson-Walker metric) became non-zero and then it grew rapidly, causing stuff to become separated by finite and increasing spatial distances.What Knull experienced, didn't have the properties of the Big Bang, therefore the feat cannot be quantified. In the comic, an explosion of some sort occurred in a particular direction, the shockwave of which then approached Knull. In contrast, the actual Big Bang is (spatially) highly homogeneous and isotropic: every direction looks the same from any comoving observer's point of view.
Knull obviously had shape, space, and time before that weird explosion occurred, but those properties didn't exist in our universe before the BB! Thus, either the explosion Knull saw wasn't the Big Bang, or he was in some other, parallel universe and experienced it in some metaphorical sense. Either way, there's no way to quantify it.
😂 you're trying to use irl physics when Knull already exists before the universe was even a thing and was somehow a living creature despite the lack of well, anything at all.
Celestials don't create that kind of light when creating stuff. It's CLEARLY meant to be the Big Bang or at the very least a artistic rendition of it. That's not up for dispute
In reality it was a bit ambiguous. If it was a big bang, I wouldn't necessarily disagree. It could also be the detonation of the First Firmament since they referenced "War" and then the intro of Celestials who actually caused that detonation. Either way there was some kind of cataclysm and he obviously felt something catastrophic.
Originally posted by Magnon
You cannot get hit by the Big Bang, since it happens everywhere -- colloquially, it is not an explosion *in* space; it is an explosion *of* space. More technically, Big Bang refers to the rapid metric expansion of the early spacetime: first, the scale factor of the cosmos (i.e. the multiplier of the spatial part of the Friedmann-Robertson-Walker metric) became non-zero and then it grew rapidly, causing stuff to become separated by finite and increasing spatial distances.What Knull experienced, didn't have the properties of the Big Bang, therefore the feat cannot be quantified. In the comic, an explosion of some sort occurred in a particular direction, the shockwave of which then approached Knull. In contrast, the actual Big Bang is (spatially) highly homogeneous and isotropic: every direction looks the same from any comoving observer's point of view.
Knull obviously had shape, space, and time before that weird explosion occurred, but those properties didn't exist in our universe before the BB! Thus, either the explosion Knull saw wasn't the Big Bang, or he was in some other, parallel universe and experienced it in some metaphorical sense. Either way, there's no way to quantify it.
We last saw your other major character, Knull, in action in your Silver Surfer: Black mini-series. That book took place a long time ago though. So, what can you tell us about modern-day Knull? What's his perspective? What is he after?Every great bad guy needs a cogent point you can get your head around, and for Knull, it's galactic gentrification. He was there before there were stars in the sky and everything belonged to him. This was all supposed to be his, and then the Celestials came, light came, and life came. So, he created an army to try and push that back. Then his army of children rebelled against him and imprisoned him for billions of years.
Knull is a horrible wretched being, but his goals are pretty clear. He wants none of us to be here. [Laughs] He wants to go back to the dark, which in his mind, rightfully belongs to him.
To quote Knull, he is the Void. This isn't a science class but a comic book.
He said, "The light of being exploded into my realm."
I interpret that as the Big Bang. It is the defacto large creation event that is accepted by the average person.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
In reality it was a bit ambiguous. If it was a big bang, I wouldn't necessarily disagree. It could also be the detonation of the First Firmament since they referenced "War" and then the intro of Celestials who actually caused that detonation. Either way there was some kind of cataclysm and he obviously felt something catastrophic.
The Celestials were there at the birth of the Universe and then created life. That ties into what you said.
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/12/123396/2988934-celestials_create_multiverse_01.jpg
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11111/111112612/3582115-8824469072-29889.jpg
Regardless, Knull was clearly meant to be a being that pre-dates the existence of the Universe.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
😂 you're trying to use irl physics when Knull already exists before the universe was even a thing and was somehow a living creature despite the lack of well, anything at all.Celestials don't create that kind of light when creating stuff. It's CLEARLY meant to be the Big Bang or at the very least a artistic rendition of it. That's not up for dispute
Since Knull's explosion didn't have the properties of our Big Bang there's no way to quantify it or its effects. MU might have an entirely different kind of "creation event" which happened within a pre-existing almost-empty space and time (i.e. the universe, the spacetime itself, was already there, it was just empty of stars and planets). This MU creation event apparently involved lots and lots of bright light which could momentarily blind a being stupid enough to have evolved functional, light-sensitive eyes in a reality without any light.
Yes, but that's supposition. You don't think so.
That's why Carver saying it's spite is.....not true. I mean, yeah, going fisticuffs is....maybe? A bad idea?
I mean, Carver et al kept asking for feats of World Forger, for example, whilst here.... Knull doesn't have his Necrosword, he doesn't have his Celestials backing him up, he doesn't have his dragon etc, yet they're just bowing head over heels because of what, the Sentry showing? Who didn't use show 1% of the energy output he did against WWH, and just tried to fly Knull into space,whilst being a chatty Kathy?
Let's admit it, Marvel Earth were grossly overconfident when facing Knull. From Tony's bombs, to Cap's smirk, to Cyclops' faith in storm, to Sentry's saluting etc...they underestimated Knull, badly, and paid for it. Very uncharacteristic of super tactical Cyke and Cap.
Light doesn't stop him because this would have if that was the case...
Or this...
Hell, Ego covered his entire body in a blast full of light...
Or, he could put a shield over his body...
Superman baby heat vision is doing nothing here.
