Superman vs Knull

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He wasn't hurt? What were all those scans showing him screaming in pain and shielding his face like a 2 bit vampire then? Him getting turned on?
And yeah, unless he creates the army on the field of battle, sure.

But I just found it funny that be can't do it on his own power but has to create secondaries to do it for him.

I say he has no speed feats to contend with superman- because he hasn't shown any. Simples.

what does it say it says he was banished back to his own void. Then he forged all black in the fires of creation. Which we spoke of. So would be kind of contradictory to be hurt with heart then go straight to working in it

The only two things we know for sure to hurt him the golden god sword ( possibly the god of Light still up in the air) and Thor's lightning when he caught the feedback pocket hitting the original earth grendels. The fight with the celestials specifically says he was being banished

Yet.....here we are. I am not making stuff up, it wasn't even me posting those scans. It's Marvel who have produced those comics lol. Not me.

Superman is faster than Knull. There is no point in denying that.

There are cosmic entities with zero to none speed feats, but there the speed argument still holds no value – because these certain entities are beyond simplistic concepts such as speed. And I don't think that Knull is one of those entities.

With that being said: speed isn't everything. There are other stats, which matter as well.
Take Scarlet Witch at the height of her powers. She was hurt by an arrow. So she had all this power, but she was a glass canon. There are such cosmic entities. And I don't think that Knull is one of those entities either.
No matter if Sentry was overconfident or not, it takes a certain physical power level to break yourself free of Sentrys grip and rip him apart. There is no way around that. Knulls physical stats must be insane for him to be able to pull that off.

And I don't think that regular old Superman (looking past the modern metafictional way of writing the character) is capable of competing with a cosmic entity on that level. In the end of the day I don't see that regular old Superman beating Celestials either, the way Sentry and Knull have done it. And when you consider what Knull did to Celestials and what he did to Sentry, it kinda becomes obvious how powerful that character is. And how the only thing defeating him will end up being a plot device. At least in a Marvel comic. But yeah, in a DC comic Supermetaman would have been the one to beat Knull.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yet.....here we are. I am not making stuff up, it wasn't even me posting those scans. It's Marvel who have produced those comics lol. Not me.

And another example of you trying to take he's dragons/grendels away would be like taking the constructs away from Green Lantern and any feats the did using them. Its part of the powerset. Knull can create stuff out of his living abyss and mold it to his will.

Originally posted by Enzeru
Superman is faster than Knull. There is no point in denying that.

There are cosmic entities with zero to none speed feats, but there the speed argument still holds no value – because these certain entities are beyond simplistic concepts such as speed. And I don't think that Knull is one of those entities.

With that being said: speed isn't everything. There are other stats, which matter as well.
Take Scarlet Witch at the height of her powers. She was hurt by an arrow. So she had all this power, but she was a glass canon. There are such cosmic entities. And I don't think that Knull is one of those entities either.
No matter if Sentry was overconfident or not, it takes a certain physical power level to break yourself free of Sentrys grip and rip him apart. There is no way around that. Knulls physical stats must be insane for him to be able to pull that off.

And I don't think that regular old Superman (looking past the modern metafictional way of writing the character) is capable of competing with a cosmic entity on that level. In the end of the day I don't see that regular old Superman beating Celestials either, the way Sentry and Knull have done it. And when you consider what Knull did to Celestials and what he did to Sentry, it kinda becomes obvious how powerful that character is. And how the only thing defeating him will end up being a plot device. At least in a Marvel comic. But yeah, in a DC comic Supermetaman would have been the one to beat Knull.

Although,I wonder if the Void had anything to do with Sentry being torn apart. Wanting to be released by his god and all that.

Unless Marvel don't even allude to it in future comics lol.

Originally posted by Enzeru
Superman is faster than Knull. There is no point in denying that.

There are cosmic entities with zero to none speed feats, but there the speed argument still holds no value – because these certain entities are beyond simplistic concepts such as speed. And I don't think that Knull is one of those entities.

With that being said: speed isn't everything. There are other stats, which matter as well.
Take Scarlet Witch at the height of her powers. She was hurt by an arrow. So she had all this power, but she was a glass canon. There are such cosmic entities. And I don't think that Knull is one of those entities either.
No matter if Sentry was overconfident or not, it takes a certain physical power level to break yourself free of Sentrys grip and rip him apart. There is no way around that. Knulls physical stats must be insane for him to be able to pull that off.

And I don't think that regular old Superman (looking past the modern metafictional way of writing the character) is capable of competing with a cosmic entity on that level. In the end of the day I don't see that regular old Superman beating Celestials either, the way Sentry and Knull have done it. And when you consider what Knull did to Celestials and what he did to Sentry, it kinda becomes obvious how powerful that character is. And how the only thing defeating him will end up being a plot device. At least in a Marvel comic. But yeah, in a DC comic Supermetaman would have been the one to beat Knull.

When Knull takes over something he gets there power and knowledge so he should be way beyond superman, easily.
He has hordes entire galaxies and 3 celestials so he's overpowered.

Let's see.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Let's see.

King in black already showed he’s taken celestials into his horde. Sentry flies through ones head

Not what I was referring to, please keep up.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not what I was referring to, please keep up.

He's already above Superman at this point, so there's no need to wait besides you.

Please post his speed feats then. Pure Knull speed feats 🙂

Knull should scale off of Sleeper who flew to and back from the Symbiotes homeworld in the middle of the Absolute Carnage Arc

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Except even if you take away Gorrs god blood amp. You still have to equate everything he was able to accomplish with the necro sword up to that point ti Knulls powers. Of course he should get his Grendel's and any symboit he choses to make in a fight if not you would literally be limiting his powers and what he's the god over. He didn't like the light But he never said he was hurt by heat the celestials banished him back to his Void. ( and it was hinted at that the one that made him fall that lead to Gorr was the god if Light ). In fact he's had a star made in his face. I don't understand how you don't comprehend the difference between an extension of one's power and items in amps. So in your mind could you not use any of the Juggernaut feats as an example of the Cyttoraks power? Again Knull has shown only one feet so far in his short resistance that did not involve his control over the abyss (ripping Sentry in half) so you basically want to strip Knull of his short his of established powers. While also saying Superman will automatically fight to smartest and use Knulls "weakness" like Clark does not have a history of being overconfident and letting significantly slower villains get their hands on him. Sentry has speed blitz Thor more then once and it just took a brief second of overconfidence for Knull reverse UNO card Sentry. 😂

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Knull should scale off of Sleeper who flew to and back from the Symbiotes homeworld in the middle of the Absolute Carnage Arc

Lmao scaling? Ah well. So nothing. Let's wait and see 🙂.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lmao scaling? Ah well. So nothing. Let's wait and see 🙂.

Yes, scaling. YOU can wait and see, Knull was already declared the winner based on feats, scans, and logic. How you feel about that fact doesn't change the outcome, period.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Yes, scaling. YOU can wait and see, Knull was already declared the winner based on feats, scans, and logic. How you feel about that fact doesn't change the outcome, period.

Knull is the dragons, JUST LIKE green lanterns constructs Theres no separate characters .Knull is the void aka anything that's black i.e dragons or the shield around earth. This isn't an army it's his cells, Try to GRASP that saint.

Except of course, GLs constructs never rebelled against their master and imprisoned Hal.

But that's besides the point. No one posted any notable feats for Knull, and it's not a feeling. Fact, and Albert's crying doesn't change that at all.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Check forum rules my guy 🙂

Did Alberto really say the only time he’s wrong is when he allows himself to be?

First of all, how stupid

Second, if he’s always right why does he always sound so stupid and childish while being right?