Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
😂 the only thing you accept from Knull is him ripping the Sentry in half because that's literally the only thing he's been shown to do in his short existence without using using his powers over the abyss, but you're totally not bias. Yeah right
Omg, DS only uses Knull feats performed by Knull! Shocker!
I also accept feats from his fights with a weakened Surfer. Did he not even have any feats there? I *think* he had the Necrosword the right?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So we haven't seen it, so zero proof as of now.If in future it is shown, then sure. I happily posted SBP being hurt by magic when comics showed he was.
The Necrosword was forged with Celestial fire and hammer. He didn't just produce it on his own.
um yes he forged it in the head of the celestial and he said forged in the fires of creation if he became the god of the forge
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The Necrosword was shown on panel to need Celestial fire and hammer.Moreover, Gorr even with it still needed to amp up with godblood. Knull has never shown this ability, nor does he have a planet of enslaved gods to amp off.
So he doesn't get a showing where an amped Gorr tagged a flying Thor. Simples.
What before that he pulled it out of thin air from the abyss and cut the celestial head off.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So he didn't just manifest it under his own power, got ya 👆
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That wasn't the Necrosword. That was just *a" sword.Currently, Gorr has it iirc.
Yeah no, nowhere in the comic did he say amp up all black power with the power of the celestial only said he forced it it's flames. There is not a single thing that all black power came from anywhere else but Knull. The only thing you can say is maybe it will not be as sharp and it might be more susceptible to sound in fire. We already seen him make a new sword when he to back the back the Exolons.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Yeah no, nowhere in the comic did he say amp up all black power with the power of the celestial only said he forced it it's flames. There is not a single thing that all black power came from anywhere else but Knull. The only thing you can say is maybe it will not be as sharp and it might be more susceptible to sound in fire. We already seen him make a new sword when he to back the back the Exolons.
Making swords, sure. Never said he couldn't.
Making THE Necrosword? Nah.
Besides, Gorr currently has it, but if Knull can just manifest a new Necrosword on a whim, sure , showcase it.
This is embarrassing for you, lmao.
You're still missing the point that he hasn't shown he can amp off godblood, and doesn't have a planet full of gods to kill.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Making swords, sure. Never said he couldn't.Making THE Necrosword? Nah.
Besides, Gorr currently has it, but if Knull can just manifest a new Necrosword on a whim, sure , showcase it.
This is embarrassing for you, lmao.
You're still missing the point that he hasn't shown he can amp off godblood, and doesn't have a planet full of gods to kill.
I MEAN if you've been paying attention to all the event especially current Thor. It is very likely that the future where Gorr gets it again and fights old King Thor will most likely never come to pass now.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I MEAN if you've been paying attention to all the event especially current Thor. It is very likely that the future where Gorr gets it again and fights old King Thor will most likely never come to pass now.
Lmao, not my point my guy - besides, you are wrong, because Knull still lost it, and it was taken by Gorr (as Knull tells it).
So yeah, let's recap the past 28 pages, lmao:
1. Knull doesn't get Gorr's feat of tagging a flying Thor, because Gorr (who amps off godblood) needed to amp off an entire planet of enslaved gods being killed by his Black Berserkers, none of which he has (no ability, no planet, no gods, no Berserkers/creations to kill for him).
2. Knull COULD be argued to have his dragon's feat, but all he does is chase down a weakened Surfer who Ego specifically tells to go faster (i.e. he was slow).
3. The one speed feat he kinda has, is outreacting a weighted down Wraith, lmao.
4. Meanwhile, Superman is shown outreacting an angry WW.
5. Superman is able to output extreme amounts of light and heat, which Knull has been hurt by before (as shown helpfully by Carver)
6. IF Knull is being argued to suddenly have every single item he has been shown to call upon and summon, then Superman can do so too. Superman then proceeds to BFR Knull and his creations to the PZ.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
this was literally on his way to Earth this comic explains why it took him so long because he was stopping to every planet one solar system at a time and blacking out the planet taking them over and blacking out the sun's by pulling the veil of the Abyss over them. Read the comic, and stop being ignorant all the time.
What does “blacking out the sun's by pulling the veil of the Abyss over them” Mean to you?
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvilclassic, Alberto losing another argument and is beginning to resort to personal attacks.
LMAO your comprehension of logic is flawed. Clark's Phantom Zone device is exactly that a device that wasn't even invented by himself. All of Knulls Creations are part of his powers literally pulled off his living Abyss which has been giving a digital demonstration while he was explaining it even. What you would be doing would be like taking away Gorrs hounds tindles that coke from all black. 😂 Oh the desperation
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lmao, not my point my guy - besides, you are wrong, because Knull still lost it, and it was taken by Gorr (as Knull tells it).So yeah, let's recap the past 28 pages, lmao:
1. Knull doesn't get Gorr's feat of tagging a flying Thor, because Gorr (who amps off godblood) needed to amp off an entire planet of enslaved gods being killed by his Black Berserkers, none of which he has (no ability, no planet, no gods, no Berserkers/creations to kill for him).
2. Knull COULD be argued to have his dragon's feat, but all he does is chase down a weakened Surfer who Ego specifically tells to go faster (i.e. he was slow).
3. The one speed feat he kinda has, is outreacting a weighted down Wraith, lmao.
4. Meanwhile, Superman is shown outreacting an angry WW.
5. Superman is able to output extreme amounts of light and heat, which Knull has been hurt by before (as shown helpfully by Carver)
6. IF Knull is being argued to suddenly have every single item he has been shown to call upon and summon, then Superman can do so too. Superman then proceeds to BFR Knull and his creations to the PZ.
YEAH and it was taken by Thor then given to Galactus then some how Ego got it who gave it to Loki the the sword brought Gorr back to life yea yea. I think We're both having misunderstandings on the points were making. I'm SAYING that all black is just an extension of Knulls powers (yes Gorr added his own amps but he was still powerful enough to lay waste to kill and trap all those gods before that because of having all black every single thing he was able to do was because of all black extension of Knulls power) I mean we will have to wait a few more comics to find out for sure but it's being heavily hinted at that Knull also made the Void) period.
The goal moving is horrendous in this thread, lol.
Look, Knull's fans were all 'Yeah, Knull in a stomp, Superman has zero chance'
Then when I ask for feats.....Gorr gets brought up. Knull sitting on a dragon chasing a weakened Surfer gets brought up. The Necrosword (which he doesn't have) is used.
Surely, SURELY Knull has the feats to stand on his own two feet? I mean, I am not lowballing, or using Knull's low feats - I am literally asking for ANY of Knull's feats
And his best speed feat is......outreacting a slowed down character who was shown to be at best, street tier level.
So that concludes the speed argument. No lows for Knull vs Superman's highs - I compared Superman's highs vs Knull's highs in speed. Winner: Superman.
So far. I have no doubt that in a week's time, Knull may very well get an incredible feat, but as of now, mid-ish Dec 2020, we don't have anything for him to even suggest he can react to or attack Superman speed-wise..
So now that we established Superman is far faster -speed means he gets all the time in the world to enact his attacks.
And he has his HV.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
YEAH and it was taken by Thor then given to Galactus then some how Ego got it who gave it to Loki the the sword brought Gorr back to life yea yea. I think We're both having misunderstandings on the points were making. I'm SAYING that all black is just an extension of Knulls powers (yes Gorr added his own amps but he was still powerful enough to lay waste to kill and trap all those gods before that because of having all black every single thing he was able to do was because of all black extension of Knulls power) I mean we will have to wait a few more comics to find out for sure but it's being heavily hinted at that Knull also made the Void) period.
Sure.
So for now, Knull doesn't have the feats to defeat Superman. Which has been my point all this time.
Edit: by the by, Gorr has ALWAYS been amped by godblood. So when he kills god#2, arguably he's already amped because he killed god #1 etc.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The goal moving is horrendous in this thread, lol.Look, Knull's fans were all 'Yeah, Knull in a stomp, Superman has zero chance'
Then when I ask for feats.....Gorr gets brought up. Knull sitting on a dragon chasing a weakened Surfer gets brought up. The Necrosword (which he doesn't have) is used.
Surely, SURELY Knull has the feats to stand on his own two feet? I mean, I am not lowballing, or using Knull's low feats - [b]I am literally asking for ANY of Knull's feats
And his best speed feat is......outreacting a slowed down character who was shown to be at best, street tier level.
So that concludes the speed argument. No lows for Knull vs Superman's highs - I compared Superman's highs vs Knull's highs in speed. Winner: Superman.
So far. I have no doubt that in a week's time, Knull may very well get an incredible feat, but as of now, mid-ish Dec 2020, we don't have anything for him to even suggest he can react to or attack Superman speed-wise..
So now that we established Superman is far faster -speed means he gets all the time in the world to enact his attacks.
And he has his HV. [/B]
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Sure.So for now, Knull doesn't have the feats to defeat Superman. Which has been my point all this time.
Edit: by the by, Gorr has ALWAYS been amped by godblood. So when he kills god#2, arguably he's already amped because he killed god #1 etc.
Except even if you take away Gorrs god blood amp. You still have to equate everything he was able to accomplish with the necro sword up to that point ti Knulls powers. Of course he should get his Grendel's and any symboit he choses to make in a fight if not you would literally be limiting his powers and what he's the god over. He didn't like the light But he never said he was hurt by heat the celestials banished him back to his Void. ( and it was hinted at that the one that made him fall that lead to Gorr was the god if Light ). In fact he's had a star made in his face. I don't understand how you don't comprehend the difference between an extension of one's power and items in amps. So in your mind could you not use any of the Juggernaut feats as an example of the Cyttoraks power? Again Knull has shown only one feet so far in his short resistance that did not involve his control over the abyss (ripping Sentry in half) so you basically want to strip Knull of his short his of established powers. While also saying Superman will automatically fight to smartest and use Knulls "weakness" like Clark does not have a history of being overconfident and letting significantly slower villains get their hands on him. Sentry has speed blitz Thor more then once and it just took a brief second of overconfidence for Knull reverse UNO card Sentry. 😂
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Sure.So for now, Knull doesn't have the feats to defeat Superman. Which has been my point all this time.
Edit: by the by, Gorr has ALWAYS been amped by godblood. So when he kills god#2, arguably he's already amped because he killed god #1 etc.
Yeah no it's still work the same way as the codex meaning every time all black gets the information of how those power work and a amp Knull wae getting that info too through the hive. Read a comic. Knull ripping apart Sentry is more than enough to beat Superman.
Superman gets basic knowledge of his opponent. So no, he wouldn't be as overconfident as Sentry.
You can't separate Gorr's blood amping,a s he's arguably always been amped off the gods he kills. So maybe you can give him god #1 - but after that? He'd be amped off the blood of God #1 when he kills god #2, then be amped when he kills#3 etc etc.
You keep telling me to read a comic - but I suggest you stop with that.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Superman gets basic knowledge of his opponent. So no, he wouldn't be as overconfident as Sentry.You can't separate Gorr's blood amping,a s he's arguably always been amped off the gods he kills. So maybe you can give him god #1 - but after that? He'd be amped off the blood of God #1 when he kills god #2, then be amped when he kills#3 etc etc.
You keep telling me to read a comic - but I suggest you stop with that.
without the Nerco sword.
Riiight
😂 It's hilarious how you're negating everything that is created by an extension of Knulls power to show where he might be at because for all intensive purposes is creations should be under him. But you even said he shouldn't get any grendels in this fight. Nothing involving the living Abyss is acceptable ( you make up that Knull was hurt by heat even though he was banished back to the void ) and then automatically say Superman is faster when there's no evidence to suggest either way as of now. But Superman wins because you say so...
Based on absolutely NOTHING. 😂 Never change saint. never change.
He wasn't hurt? What were all those scans showing him screaming in pain and shielding his face like a 2 bit vampire then? Him getting turned on?
And yeah, unless he creates the army on the field of battle, sure.
But I just found it funny that be can't do it on his own power but has to create secondaries to do it for him.
I say he has no speed feats to contend with superman- because he hasn't shown any. Simples.