ST Luke vs. Snoke and Kylo Ren

Luke from the ST, reconnected with the force.

vs.

Snoke and ROS Kylo.

Luke is likely more powerful than both, and a better duelist. But I don’t think he could take them both at the same time. Snoke could just spam lightning while he’s dueling Kylo

Originally posted by xPRIMEx
Luke is likely more powerful than both, and a better duelist. But I don’t think he could take them both at the same time. Snoke could just spam lightning while he’s dueling Kylo

Agreed. Luke said the raw strength of Kylo was on pars with Rey's who he was frightened of and that would've been a young Ben so.. Kylo should really be very powerful by the time of TROS. Enough to keep Luke distracted imo.

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How awesome would it be if we saw this fight? And they had Luke winning until he has to go sacrifice himself.

Luke. Kylo was garbage and Luke could easily dispatch him with the Force the same way Snoke did Rey in TLJ and Sidious did Kylo. Then it's just Luke vs Snoke and we know that Snoke was afraid of Luke.

I doubt Luke could easily just dispatch Kylo with the force, especially if this is ROS Kylo. Palpatine was far stronger than even Luke.

Maybe if it’s TLJ Kylo.

Originally posted by xPRIMEx
I doubt Luke could easily just dispatch Kylo with the force, especially if this is ROS Kylo. Palpatine was far stronger than even Luke.

Maybe if it’s TLJ Kylo.

We dont know there was any significant difference between TLJ and ROS Kylo. Unless im missing something.

But I wasnt very impressed by ROS Kylo and how he dealt with the KOR.

You didn’t notice a difference? I thought it was kind of obvious.

Because he whooped the KOR? Joke

Reasons? Pulling on the Ship against Rey?

Really I dont know. His most bad ass moment was still his opening in TFA: the freezing of Poe and the blaster bolt IMHO.

I really liked the opening scene in ROS too.

I noticed a huge difference in his demeanor. He had his emotions under control which makes a huge difference for force users.

His fight against the KoR was a huge improvement over his performance against the Praetorian Guards too.

Originally posted by xPRIMEx
Luke is likely more powerful than both, and a better duelist. But I don’t think he could take them both at the same time. Snoke could just spam lightning while he’s dueling Kylo

You're assuming he can spam lightning.

IIRC, he only used a single burst of it... which bounced off the floor (that part was cool).

But we don't know if he could sustain it.

Then again, if Luke was right about Snoke being more or less equal to RotJ Palps... then sure, he most likely would be able to "spam" it.

Originally posted by xPRIMEx
I really liked the opening scene in ROS too.

I noticed a huge difference in his demeanor. He had his emotions under control which makes a huge difference for force users.

His fight against the KoR was a huge improvement over his performance against the Praetorian Guards too.

Anything in the novel about his clarity/focus?

He still seemed frustrated to me. And he did turn back in the same film. So nothing concrete as far as I can gather.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Then again, if Luke was right about Snoke being more or less equal to RotJ Palps... then sure, he most likely would be able to "spam" it.

That idea has been thoroughly debunked in the Snoke vs Dooku thread.

Its simply not possible Snoke could be THAT powerful, and still just a lackey.

And tbf, Snoke could 'only' be Dooku-level, and still spam the absolute shit out of FL.

Originally posted by xPRIMEx
I doubt Luke could easily just dispatch Kylo with the force, especially if this is ROS Kylo. Palpatine was far stronger than even Luke.

Maybe if it’s TLJ Kylo.

Why not? Kylo is sub-Rey level in his Force powers if we use the ship feat since Rey was fighting the ship's engines AND Kylo's Force pull. She can also conjure Force lightning, unlike Kylo, who dedicated himself to the Dark side and still couldn't learn it, and she mastered the healing power before him too.

I'll agree that Luke isn't as strong as ROS Sidious, but Snoke was a couple of tiers above Kylo and Rey in TLJ and it's heavily implied that Luke > Snoke.

Originally posted by Galan007
And tbf, Snoke could 'only' be Dooku-level, and still spam the absolute shit out of FL.

What he has shown on screen was a mere Legends Shadowtrooper level.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Why not? Kylo is sub-Rey level in his Force powers if we use the ship feat since Rey was fighting the ship's engines AND Kylo's Force pull. She can also conjure Force lightning, unlike Kylo, who dedicated himself to the Dark side and still couldn't learn it, and she mastered the healing power before him too.

I'll agree that Luke isn't as strong as ROS Sidious, but Snoke was a couple of tiers above Kylo and Rey in TLJ and it's heavily implied that Luke > Snoke.

I doubt Movie Rey was above Kylo in any way (sans calling on all the Jedi nonsense).

The lightning was supposed to show she was related to Palpatine (as stupid as that is logically).