@Pyschotron
Watch that scene again. The transport shuttle’s engines actually would turn and face whoever started to pull it closer to them. When Kylo started to overpower her the shuttle’s engines started to turn towards him.
The novel actually makes it clear that he was overpowering her and that’s why she got angry and used the force lightning
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Anything in the novel about his clarity/focus?He still seemed frustrated to me. And he did turn back in the same film. So nothing concrete as far as I can gather.
Originally posted by xPRIMEx
I’d have to check, but I know that it says Palpatine’s guards Rey fought are more formidable than the Praetorian guards. So that by itself scales both of them a lot higher than their TLJ selves.
They were firing at Rey though werent they? And she was just deflecting the shots back at them.
Against the Praetorian guards they were fighting up close.
Originally posted by xPRIMEx
Watch that scene again. The transport shuttle’s engines actually would turn and face whoever started to pull it closer to them. When Kylo started to overpower her the shuttle’s engines started to turn towards him.The novel actually makes it clear that he was overpowering her and that’s why she got angry and used the force lightning
I thought Kylo was trying to push the ship away? Or is Kylo a complete idiot and trying to pull the ship down too, which is what Rey is trying to do anyway? Rey stalemated Kylo in TLJ when they were pulling the saber and I that's before Rey had a year of training.
Either way, Kylo's face looked like he was taking the biggest shit of his life during that scene, so at best you could argue he's equal to Rey. Of course, he has a lot more training than her and he still can't use lightning or heal, so whatever. No matter how you spin it we saw Snoke casually dispose of Kylo with a burst of lightning and rag doll Rey (Kylo's peer) and we know Luke > Snoke, so there's no reason to think Luke can't ragdoll him, unless there's some proof he got much stronger in ROS.
^ The lightsaber pulling apart was probably to do with that Dyad nonesense. It applies when they are fighting together, so presumably applies when fighting each other as well.
Also being fair, Snoke caught Kylo off guard with the lightning, and Snokes guards rushed to his defence before Kylo could attempt to fight back.
Im sure Snoke was more powerful, but just saying cant assume too much from that blast.
Originally posted by xPRIMEx
Well technically they have the same amount of training. Rey basically downloaded Kylo’s training when their minds linked in TFA.
Yet that didnt stop Kylo from still TKing and KOing her against the tree despite heavily bleeding.
And despite the download Rey still needed Leia to train her. So clearly training still matters.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ The lightsaber pulling apart was probably to do with that Dyad nonesense. It applies when they are fighting together, so presumably applies when fighting each other as well.Also being fair, Snoke caught Kylo off guard with the lightning, and Snokes guards rushed to his defence before Kylo could attempt to fight back.
Im sure Snoke was more powerful, but just saying cant assume too much from that blast.
Then it should apply when Rey was getting dominated by Snoke too, because Kylo was right there. In fact, aren't they stronger when they're next to each other? If Snoke can do that to dyad!Rey then he can do it to Kylo too. If Luke really is > Snoke there's no reason to think he wouldn't be able to rag doll Kylo.
I don't see how he can be caught off guard when Kylo was the one who stood up angrily, which made Snoke put him in his place. There's no way Kylo didn't think his dark side master would allow that without a response.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Then it should apply when Rey was getting dominated by Snoke too, because Kylo was right there. In fact, aren't they stronger when they're next to each other? If Snoke can do that to dyad!Rey then he can do it to Kylo too. If Luke really is > Snoke there's no reason to think he wouldn't be able to rag doll Kylo.I don't see how he can be caught off guard when Kylo was the one who stood up angrily, which made Snoke put him in his place. There's no way Kylo didn't think his dark side master would allow that without a response.
She still had no training. So no way to know for sure if she could defend as well as Kylo. I personally doubt it. I think she can reflect Kylos moves when with him, but he wasnt doing anything, and I dont recall her ever defending against that kind of attack previously.
The fact that Kylo had to get up and didnt have his Saber out to defend against the lightning is why he wasnt ready. And the way his guards rushed to his defence gave Kylo no opportunity to fight back.
This is all pure speculation. The only thing we know of for sure is that Rey and Kylo are stronger when they're near each other.
ESB era Sidious dominated Vader with the Force and we know that Kylo is no Vader. There's no reason to think Grandmaster Luke won't be able to rag doll him at this stage. Kylo has absolutely no feats to suggest he can defend an attack from someone who is Sidious+ in Force powers and a superior duelist on top of it. Luke will do to Kylo what Sidious did to the B team.
Originally posted by xPRIMEx
Yeah, the dyad allowed her to take his training but it’s not like the dyad amped them when they fought against each other or just whenever they’re around each other.
Pretty sure the quote stated they reflect and amplify each other when fighting against the Praetorian Guards.
Originally posted by Psychotron
This is all pure speculation. The only thing we know of for sure is that Rey and Kylo are stronger when they're near each other.
Its also speculation that Kylo would have been ragdolled as easily by Snoke as Rey was.
Kylo isnt Rey. Hes far more dangerous an opponent according to Luke in the TLJ comic. Hes been trained for over a decade, and he outright beat Rey in TROS.
But yeah I agree Luke would own him.
Originally posted by Scizard
Not really speculation they're shown to be equals after Snoke's death
Because of Force pulling the Saber ? Nah that was likely due to their Dyad. Same way she was able to resist and turn back his mind probe in TFA.
Again Luke already confirmed Kylo > Rey. And Kylo outright beat Rey in TROS.