Who is more powerful than the 616 Infinity Gauntlet?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Bro you have been getting that ass kicked left, right and centre.

Every single misguidedly smug comeback has been a fail.

Why? Because ultimately youre just not smart enough mate 🙁

You analysis is always half-baked and superficial and you throw out nonsense arguments backed by scans that you barely understand yet are trying to use as evidence bangin

Time and time again I am able to turn your evidence against you because of your lack of understanding.

But whats worse is your lack of integrity. You ignore official publications when i use them, but are happy to acknowledge them when you mistakenly think that they support your cause. You cannot be trusted as a debater to post the truth. Your motives arent to cover the truth, theyre to save your ass as i've been making you look absolutely amateur for over a week now.

Keep your head up kid.

Learn from this experience 👆

Originally posted by abhilegend
your bitchiness

Different poster, my dude:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=7503

😂

The Phoenix Force is both the energies of creation turned sentient and a nexus for all psionic energy that exists or ever will throughout the multiverse. A true multiversal power.

The recent history of the marvel universe publication acknowledges this duality as ive shown today.

This is nothing new as the Phoenixes 2010 handbook entry acknowledges it as both a multiversal nexus of psionic power and a manifestation of the prime universal life-force

This duaity is long established continuity. It is only new to you Abhi as you have have not taken the time out to do the necessary research ahead of leaping in here and trying to share your uninformed perspective.

So you showing scans relaying how the Big Bang event was triggered, doesn’t mean that those energies of creation aren’t the natural state of the Phoenix Force as I’ve already shown time and time again throughout this thread. Said energies collapse into the crunch at the end of the cycle reverting the Phoenix back to its natural state, then in the Big Bang event it is reborn

So with that in mind youre back to square one.

Answer the question Abhi.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Highlight the point in those scans where it says that the Big Bang is another entity? 😄

All those scans say is the energies of creation were contained within that object and Galans ship colliding with that object triggered a Big Bang.

Where is it saying that those released energies are embodied by another entity therefore retconning Phoenix?

How can you conclude that as per continuity those released energies didn't develop sentience and become the Phoenix Force as is stated to be the case in continuity.

You cant because the scans don't say that. Therefore theres no evidence of a retcon to Phoenixes role.

Furthermore youve failed the challenge.

Ive provided two scans from different comic books both stating Phoenix Force is the Big Bang. Not suggesting it, stating it explicitly.

Youve provided scans from one comic book story arc that say dont revise the Phoenixes nature, or even suggest that its roles been changed.

All it says is how the Big Bang was triggered according to that one account. Thats fine.

[B]Where is it assigning the role of embodiment of the Big Bang to something else?

I repeat......Where is it assigning the role of embodiment of the Big Bang to something else?

Show us.

Dont just post a scan. Misinterpret it and then when i highlight your misinterpretation say "ive shown. Ive shown you!"

Where is it assigning the role of embodiment of the Big Bang to something else?

😆 [/B]

Where is it assigning the role of embodiment of the Big Bang to something else?

😱 😆

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The Phoenix Force is both the energies of creation turned sentient and a nexus for all psionic energy that exists or ever will throughout the multiverse. A true multiversal power.

The recent history of the marvel universe publication acknowledges this duality as ive shown today.

This is nothing new as the Phoenixes 2010 handbook entry acknowledges it as both a multiversal nexus of psionic power and a manifestation of the prime universal life-force

This duaity is long established continuity. It is only new to you Abhi as you have have not taken the time out to do the necessary research ahead of leaping in here and trying to share your uninformed perspective.

So you showing scans relaying how the Big Bang event was triggered, doesn’t mean that those energies of creation aren’t the natural state of the Phoenix Force as I’ve already shown time and time again throughout this thread. Said energies collapse into the crunch at the end of the cycle reverting the Phoenix back to its natural state, then in the Big Bang event it is reborn

The Phoenix Force is both the energies of creation turned sentient and a nexus for all psionic energy that exists or ever will throughout the multiverse. A true multiversal power.

Its not energy of creation, it's just a nexus of psionic energy.

The recent history of the marvel universe publication acknowledges this duality as ive shown today.

This is nothing new as the Phoenixes 2010 handbook entry acknowledges it as both a multiversal nexus of psionic power and a manifestation of the prime universal life-force

There's no duality, it's the same ****ing thing.

This is nothing new as the Phoenixes 2010 handbook entry acknowledges it as both a multiversal nexus of psionic power and a manifestation of the prime universal life-force

The same entry said that Phoenix was reborn from the big bang, it wasn't the big bang, you ****ing idiot.

This duaity is long established continuity. It is only new to you Abhi as you have have not taken the time out to do the necessary research ahead of leaping in here and trying to share your uninformed perspective.

So you showing scans relaying how the Big Bang event was triggered, doesn’t mean that those energies of creation aren’t the natural state of the Phoenix Force as I’ve already shown time and time again throughout this thread. Said energies collapse into the crunch at the end of the cycle reverting the Phoenix back to its natural state, then in the Big Bang event it is reborn

Shut the **** up retard. Alpha/Omega were the composite energy and matter of the universe, Phoenix is just a nexus. Clear cut, even a retard could understand it. But not you.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
So with that in mind youre back to square one.

Answer the question Abhi.

[B]Where is it assigning the role of embodiment of the Big Bang to something else?

😱 😆 [/B]

They don't have to spell it out that Phoenix is not the alpha/omega, you ****ing idiot. It never was.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You're once again making a hodgepodge of the argument here.

Its not energy of creation, it's just a nexus of psionic energy.

There's no duality, it's the same ****ing thing.

Unless you're telling me that the life-force of the universe is psionic energy then yes there is a duality 😆

Please show me in canon where it states that psionic energy is the life force of creation? bangin

Originally posted by abhilegend
The same entry said that Phoenix was reborn from the big bang, it wasn't the big bang, you ****ing idiot.

Ive just explained this. Why do you keep bringing up this point thats been countered time and time again? Its because you have nothing else 😂

The Phoenix Force is the sentience of the Big Bang. Said sentience is lost at the end of the creation cycle and then re-develops followin the Big Bang event.

We had it depicted on panel and stated explicitly that the Force is the formless energies of creation that touches all life and that it regained sentience after being touched by Feron.

So you saying it was reborn in the Big Bang doesnt take away from it being those energies.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Shut the **** up retard. Alpha/Omega were the composite energy and matter of the universe, Phoenix is just a nexus. Clear cut, even a retard could understand it. But not you.

Nope. Alpha/Omega was an object that came to house the energies of creation at the end of the 6th multiverse. Galans ship collided with said object releasing the energies of creation.

Unless you're telling me that the life-force of the universe is psionic energy then yes there is a duality

Please show me in canon where it states that psionic energy is the life force of creation?

So back to asking inane questions? Its the same because the comic clearly defined phoenix force as nexus of all psionic energy ONLY. Nothing more.

Ive just explained this. Why do you keep bringing up this point thats been countered time and time again? Its because you have nothing else

No, because you are spewing nonsense.

The Phoenix Force is the sentience of the Big Bang. Said sentience is lost at the end of the creation cycle and then re-develops followin the Big Bang event.

WTF is sentience of big bang now? As clearly defined in HOMU, Phoenix is ONLY nexus of all psionic energy, nothing more.

We had it depicted on panel and stated explicitly that the Force is the formless energies of creation that touches all life and that it regained sentience after being touched by Feron.

Retconned, doesn't matters in the least.

So you saying it was reborn in the Big Bang doesnt take away from it being those energies.

Of course it does. It can't be the cause of the big bang if its actually reborn by it.

Nope. Alpha/Omega was an object that came to house the energies of creation at the end of the 6th multiverse. Galans ship collided with said object releasing the energies of creation.

Which has nothing to do with phoenix force. Just like the very first big bang had nothing to do with Phoenix Force, it was war of celestials which created it.

Shouldn't phoenix be the big bang every time? Or you are saying that Phoenix is inferior to celestials (a product of their war)?

Originally posted by abhilegend
So back to asking inane questions? Its the same because the comic clearly defined phoenix force as nexus of all psionic energy ONLY. Nothing more.

Inane because you have no officially supported answer for them? 😆

The comic doesnt define the Phoenix Force as ONLY the nexus of psionic energy.

Ive just shown that in that one issue you have it being said to be the life-force of reality in the comic and a psionic nexus in the glossary 😆

Unless the universes depend on psionic energy to exist then that's a clear demonstration of a duality in terms of nature and roles like ive said.

Said duality demonstrated by the source that we're both citing giving it both roles LOL.

You either accept the source as legitimate or deny it. You cant use it as evidence and then be selective in what you want to acknowledge. Doesn't work like that kid

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, because you are spewing nonsense.

Nonsense because you have no counter yh? Yh ive got your measure Mr Master-lite

Originally posted by abhilegend
WTF is sentience of big bang now? As clearly defined in HOMU, Phoenix is ONLY nexus of all psionic energy, nothing more.

You're LYING. How can you lie so hard? We've established that the same issue (History of the Marvel Universe 1) assigns both roles to the Phoenix Force.

I then showed such a duality is long established and even mentioned in the handbook.

So how can you flat out LIE and say that issue says its ONLY one and not both? You're unbelievable and clearly acting out of desperation. Its good to see 😄

Originally posted by abhilegend
Retconned, doesn't matters in the least.

Not how retcons work. Something else would have to be stated to be the emodiment of the Big Bang.

Showing a change to how the Big Bang is triggered doesnt equate to a change in what the resultant energies are. Sorry bto. Dud point 🙁

Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course it does. It can't be the cause of the big bang if its actually reborn by it.

Who said it was the cause of the Big Bang? Please quote where i said that in this thread? STOP LYING 😱 😆

Maybe this is the cause of your confusion. The Phoenix Force is the sentient energies of the Big Bang. No ones saying its triggering the event. Therefore you showing different triggers to the event is not disproving me or demonstrating a retcon. Youre losing the plot yet again 😂

Originally posted by abhilegend
Which has nothing to do with phoenix force. Just like the very first big bang had nothing to do with Phoenix Force, it was war of celestials which created it.

Shouldn't phoenix be the big bang every time? Or you are saying that Phoenix is inferior to celestials (a product of their war)?

By your same logic Eternity would be inferior to the Celestials as the war inside the First Firmament resulted in the creation of the 1st separate Eternity/Multiverse. A matchstick can trigger an explosion. Is the matchstick greater than the resultant explosion?

Again your comprehension skills are what's confusing you and leading you to post nonsense. No one has said the Phoenix Force is triggering Big Bangs.

What is being said is that the Phoenix Force is the sentient energies of the Big Bang.

Said sentience develops after the Big Bang event at the start of a creation cycle.

You highlighting new triggers is different to demonstrating that the energies themselves are not the Phoenix Force anymore as explicitly stated.

So once again post multiple scans that state explicitly that the Phoenix Force is NOT the life-force energies of creation in current continuity.

Post scans that show psionic energy is the energy that keeps creation alive! 😆

Just so this doesnt get lost amongst your nonsense, lies and misinterpretations:

Post multiple scans that state explicitly that the Phoenix Force is NOT the life-force energies of creation in current continuity.

Post scans that show psionic energy is the life force energy that keeps creation alive! 😆

Inane because you have no officially supported answer for them? laughing

The comic doesnt define the Phoenix Force as ONLY the nexus of psionic energy.

Ive just shown that in that one issue you have it being to be the life-force of reality in the comic and a psionic nexus in the glossary laughing

Unless the universes depend on psionic energy to exist then thats a clear duality in terms of nature and roles.

Said duality demonstrated by the source we're both citing giving it both roles LOL.

You either accept the source as legitimate or deny it. You cant use it as evidence and then be selective in what you want to acknoledge. Doesnt work like that kid

Yeah, keep talking like a lunatic on crack. Its hilarious at this point.

Nonsense because you have no counter yh? Yh ive got your measure Mr Master-lite

😂

This is just sad.

Youre LYING. How can you lie so hard. We've established that same issue assigns both roles to the Phoenix Force.

I then showed such a duality is long established and even mentioned in the handbook.

So how can you flat out LIE and say that issue says its ONLY one and not both? Youre unbelievable and clearly acting out of desperation. Its good to see

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Outdated handbook. No longer matters.

Not how retcons work. Something else would have to be stated to be the emodiment of the Big Bang.

Showing a change to how the Big Bang is triggered doesnt equate to a change in what the resultant energies are. Sorry bto. Dud point

Nope, its a simple retcon. Phoenix is ONLY nexus of psionic energy.

Who said it was the cause of the Big Bang? Please quote where i said that in this thread? STOP LYING eek! laughing

Maybe this is the cause of your confusion. The Phoenix Force is the sentient energies of the Big Bang. No ones saying its triggering the event. Therefore you showing different triggers to the event is not disproving me or demonstrating a retcon. Youre losing the plot yet again laughing out loud

Haha, WTF? Now its sentience of big bang, whatever that means? Man, you are insane. Literally.

quote]By your same logic Eternity would be inferior to the Celestials as the war inside the First Firmament resulted in the creation of the 1st separate Eternity/Multiverse. A matchstick can trigger an explosion. Is the matchstick greater than the resultant explosion?[/quote]

A matchstick without any fuel can cause an explosion, huh? What an idiot. Where is phoenix force even mentioned as cause or anything related to big bang?

Again your comprehension skills are what's confusing you and leading you to post nonsense. No one has said the Phoenix Force is triggering Big Bangs.

Shut up already troll. You literally change the definition of Phoenix in every post, first it was Phoenix is big bang, then its Phoenix is life energy, now Phoenix is the sentience of an inanimate explosion/expansion of the universe.

You are becoming unhinged in your phoenix obsession. Let it go, seriously.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Just so this doesnt get lost amongst your nonsense, lies and misinterpretations:

[B]Post multiple scans that state explicitly that the Phoenix Force is NOT the life-force energies of creation in current continuity.

Post scans that show psionic energy is the life force energy that keeps creation alive! 😆 [/B]

Originally posted by abhilegend
Outdated handbook. No longer matters.

Outdated? You used the same handbook to highlight that the Phoenix Force is said to develop after the Big Bang. So its only irrelevant when its used to support my points but its fair game for you yh?

Keep showing the forum your level of integrity 😆

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nope, its a simple retcon. Phoenix is ONLY nexus of psionic energy.

The Phoenix has long been stated to be both life and a nexus of psionic energies so its nothing new. The duality is well established.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Haha, WTF? Now its sentience of big bang, whatever that means? Man, you are insane. Literally.

You are really sounding like MrMaster the more this progresses 😆

As demonstrated on panel following the Big Bang event the Phoenix re-developed sentience, but prior to that point it was just the formless energies of life

So yes the firebird is a manifestation of the Big Bang in reality. Its sentience, its representation.

All on panel baby 😄

Originally posted by abhilegend
A matchstick without any fuel can cause an explosion, huh? What an idiot. Where is phoenix force even mentioned as cause or anything related to big bang?

You are so dumb. You completely misunderstood the example. The Celestials were just triggers to the creation of the 1st multiverse, their war blew off a chunk of the 1st Firmanent. They didnt generate the energy and matter themselves, the matter, the fuel was already there in the shape of the 1st Firmanent. Their warring resulted in that 1st multiverse.

So yes. the matchstick being less than a resultant explosion it triggers is an effective example.

Do try and follow kid 😆

Originally posted by abhilegend
Shut up already troll. You literally change the definition of Phoenix in every post, first it was Phoenix is big bang, then its Phoenix is life energy, now Phoenix is the sentience of an inanimate explosion/expansion of the universe.

You are becoming unhinged in your phoenix obsession. Let it go, seriously.

You cant counter my points effectively due to lack of evidence so you 1st try and say im Mr Master now you try and paint me as unhinged yh?

The desperation is real 😆

If you cant beat the debater try and discredit.

Unfortunately for you no ones buying your sh*t

I havent changed the definition of the Phoenix Force once. Your limited mental faculties just dont allow you to understand synonyms. (Google it b**th)

universal life force, Big Bang, energies of creation are all the same thing.

The Phoenix firebird is the sentient avatar of those things.

SAME THING. Learn what a synonym is 😆

Originally posted by abhilegend
Shut up already troll. Same has been posted multiple times. And I'll keep going until it gets through your thick skull.

You ignored when i posted the History of the Marvel Universe scan, saying the Phoenix avatar is a manifestation of the PRIME universal force of life, yet when your desperation lead you to do some research and you saw that the glossary of said issue said it was also the nexus of psionic energy this comic suddenly became legitimate 😆

With comic books throughout continuity stating the Phoenix is both the life force of creation AND a psionic nexus, you have ZERO justification sayings its been retconned to ONLY being a psionic nexus.

Especially based off a source that references the Phoenix as being both, but true to form you only want to highlight the page that makes the psionic nexus reference as that suits your agenda.

You're a joke.

Its been a great pleasure highlighting that to the forum this past week 😄

So if you're going to reference History of the Marvel Universe (which has on one page the Phoenix is a manifestation of the force of life and in a glossary call it the psionic nexus)

then please show 1) A source explicitly showing that Marvel reality is sustained by psionic energy. 😖hifty:

Without such evidence you automatically concede and accept that as the all encompassing energies of the Big Bang, the Phoenix Force can be both, a duality! 😱

Ive noticed you keep focusing on Big Bang triggers.

Please accept this into your skull:

No one is saying the Phoenix Force triggers or causes the Big Bang, what is being said is it is the energies themselves.

The Phoenix Force as we know it doesnt develop until after the event when those formless energies re-develop sentience.

Ahead of that its just the Big Bang.

Eternity is said to embody the universe. Everytime the word universe or reality is used or depicted on panel we dont need to see reference to Eternity. We know its him. Its been stated explicitly in continuity. However there are regularly references to realities, universes, 616, without mention of the entity that embodies them.

Yet that's accepted as we know from canonical references that Eternity is the universe.

The same applies for the Phoenix Force. Its stated multiple times to be the energies of life, the Big Bang and universal life force (synonyms fool) so unless a story is about the Phoenix then we dont need to have the Phoenix Force mentioned with every reference of a Big Bang.

Its already been stated explicitly on panel that it is those energies gone sentient.

Hope you enjoyed the lesson 😄

Outdated? You used the same handbook to highlight that the Phoenix Force is said to develop after the Big Bang. So its only irrelevant when its used to support my points but its fair game for you yh?

It was to show your hypocrisy.

Keep showing the forum your level of integrity

😂

You are talking about integrity?

Ive just explained this. Why do you keep bringing up this point thats been countered time and time again? Its because you have nothing else laughing out loud

The Phoenix Force is the sentience of the Big Bang. Said sentience is lost at the end of the creation cycle and then re-develops followin the Big Bang event.

Nope. Galactus and Franklin are the only beings at the end of the multiverse as per HOMU.

Galactus' energies create the new big bang.

What's next, Galactus is the also Phoenix?

We had it depicted on panel and stated explicitly that the Force is the formless energies of creation that touches all life and that it regained sentience after being touched by Feron.

Retconned.

So you saying it was reborn in the Big Bang doesnt take away from it being those energies.

Of course it does.

You are so dumb. You completely misunderstood the example. The Celestials were just triggers to the creation of the 1st multiverse, their war blew off a chunk of the 1st Firmanent. They didnt generate the energy and matter themselves, the matter, the fuel was already there in the shape of the 1st Firmanent. Their warring resulted in that 1st multiverse.

So yes. the matchstick being less than a resultant explosion it triggers is an effective example.

Do try and follow kid laughing

So you agree that it wasn't Phoenix which created the first big bang, huh? How about that.

You cant counter my points effectively due to lack of evidence so you 1st try and say im Mr Master now you try and paint me as unhinged yh?

The desperation is real laughing

If you cant beat the debater try and discredit.

Unfortunately for you no ones buying your sh*t

I havent changed the definition of the Phoenix Force once. Your limited mental faculties just dont allow you to understand synonyms. (Google it b**th)

universal life force, Big Bang, energies of creation are all the same thing.

The Phoenix firebird is the sentient avatar of those things.

Nope, retconned away.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You ignored when i posted the History of the Marvel Universe scan, saying the Phoenix avatar is a manifestation of the PRIME universal force of life, yet when your desperation lead you to do some research and you saw that the glossary of said issue said it was also the nexus of psionic energy this comic suddenly became legitimate 😆

With comic books throughout continuity stating the Phoenix is both the life force of creation [B]AND a psionic nexus, you have ZERO justification sayings its been retconned to ONLY being a psionic nexus.

Especially based off a source that references the Phoenix as being both, but true to form you only want to highlight the page that makes the psionic nexus reference as that suits your agenda.

You're a joke.

Its been a great pleasure highlighting that to the forum this past week 😄 [/B]

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Ive noticed you keep focusing on Big Bang triggers.

Please accept this into your skull:

No one is saying the Phoenix Force triggers or causes the Big Bang, what is being said is it is the energies themselves.

The Phoenix Force as we know it doesnt develop until after the event when those formless energies re-develop sentience.

Ahead of that its just the Big Bang.

Eternity is said to embody the universe. Everytime the word universe or reality is used or depicted on panel we dont need to see reference to Eternity. We know its him. Its been stated explicitly in continuity. However there are regularly references to realities, universes, 616, without mention of the entity that embodies them.

Yet that's accepted as we know from canonical references that Eternity is the universe.

The same applies for the Phoenix Force. Its stated multiple times to be the energies of life, the Big Bang and universal life force (synonyms fool) so unless a story is about the Phoenix then we dont need to have the Phoenix Force mentioned with every reference of a Big Bang.

Its already been stated explicitly on panel that it is those energies gone sentient.

Hope you enjoyed the lesson 😄

You are losing here horribly.

Responding to my points with "retconned" and "drivel" whilst failing to counter said points is very telling Abhi-TallTales.

I've had you on life support from the get-go and I’m dispelling your myths and misconceptions left, right and centre. 

Show me one place in this thread where I’ve said the Phoenix created the Big Bang? 😖hifty:

I’ve said throughout that it is the Big Bang energies that gains sentience after the Big Bang event thus reconciling your struggle point related to the handbook saying the Phoenix Force was reborn following the Big Bang event.

You showing various ways the Big Bang is triggered, does not equate to a retcon of what those Big Bang energies are.

Comic books regularly reference or depict universes, realities or 616 as a generic universe without making reference to Eternity, that doesn't mean we don't acknowledge that Eternity is the embodiment of said universe, especially where it’s stated in continuity. The same applies for the Phoenix Force. It has been stated to be the Big Bang multiple times, therefore unless a stoty is about the Phoenix, then there is no need to reference the Phoenix with every depiction of the Big Bang. Continuity already states that the Big Bang would later form sentience and manifest as the Phoenix 😄

Now its time to highlight yet again why no one should pay you any mind.

I read this briefly last night before i went to bed and I cringed.

I could not believe that someone who wants to present themselves as a credible debater could time and time again show their complete ineptitude and lack of understanding over Marvel comic fundamentals.

Can you please tell me if 616 is currently at the point of heat death, or the Big Crunch?

Course not. These would be potential future outcomes 😕

Next question.

Can you please tell the forum when future possibilities for 616 became continuity?

Theyre not. 616 has an infinite amount of possible futures so to treat any we’re shown on panel as anything but a curiosity would be a waste of time and to attempt to use them as evidence for a canonical debate would be a schoolboy error, the epitome of incompetence and said user should probably just be ignored.

Lets explore why it is utterly foolish to bank on possible futures
616 Galactus in current continuity:

Now lets have a look at the glossary of the same comic book that Abhi tried to present as canonical evidence:

Whats this? It was actually just a depiction of future 10774?

I mean even a simpleton would know better right because Franklin Richards is a teenage boy in 616 and Galactus is dead. Right? Right? ❌

And we all know from this thread how fond Mr TallTales is at using glossaries as evidence, so surely he would’ve seen this entry? Surely he wouldn’t mean to keep this from us just to protect his agenda? 🙄

Abhi-TallTales you are a complete fraud of a debater.

Lets form a list of your deficiencies

Comprehension
Comic book knowledge
Knowledge in general
Integrity
Trustworthiness

Anyone think of some more? Feel free to add on.
Let’s make this a community activity 😄