Who is more powerful than the 616 Infinity Gauntlet?

So as it stands the Phoenix Force is stated explicitly to be the all-encompassing energies of the Big Bang and psionic nexus of the multiverse.

A duality well established within Marvel.

This Mr Master-lite has attempted to prove that the Phoenix isnt the Big Bang energies NOT through a canon scan saying the Big Bang is another entity but by:

. presenting a scan of a generic Big Bang occurring and said comic book depiction not saying "hey guys this is what the Phoenix Force embodies" (generic universes are presented all the time. We dont need every depiction of one to be couple with "hey guys this is what Eternity embodies" when its already stated in canon multiple times and the story isnt about said character)

. dwelling on the Phoenix being reborn in the Big Bang event. (A state of affairs well established. Its explicitly shown on panel to be the energies of the Big Bang that later develop sentience after the event, thus reconciling this point)

. presenting a glossary reference from History of the Marvel universe saying the Phoenix Force is a multiversal nexus of psionic energy (Yet the main comic book itself [B]ALSO states that it is a manifestation of the PRIME universal life force and throughout continuity it has been assigned both roles)

. presenting a scan depicting a potential future reality as canon. A depiction even further in doubt than normal for a future possibility as the main component is DEAD 😆 [/B]

That inconclusive mess is the full extent of his evidence that Phoenix is not the embodiment of the Big Bang. That the firebird is not its expression within reality.

That is in the face of scans that explicitly say that:

.the energies of creation, the Big Bang and the Phoenix Force are synonyms for the same thing.

.the firebird avatar is the embodiment of the Big Bang

It is also in the face of scans that strongly allude to the Phoenix Force being the Big Bang by saying:

.the key to stopping the Phoenix Force is by understanding the inner workings of the Big Bang and cracking universal expansion

.that if the Force wasn't present in reality there would be a void (that doesn't sound like its just psionic energy does it 😖hifty: )

.that the Phoenix Force is the sum and substance of all that lives and the mother of the stars

.the Phoenix is the PRIME universal force of life. PRIME by definition meaning the main, the most significant (The prime source of life in a reality being the Big Bang)

That about wraps this up 😎

I don’t think the pF can just create life at whim as easily as IG

Also the stones are primal universal forces as well made at the dawn of creation. They all control different aspects of the universe. Obviously when used together they create omnipotent power.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
I don’t think the pF can just create life at whim as easily as IG

Also the stones are primal universal forces as well made at the dawn of creation. They all control different aspects of the universe. Obviously when used together they create omnipotent power.

Read the thread and its evidence. Dont just rely on what knowledge you have.

The Phoenix Force has better feats than the IG. Much better. Read 😉

TEACH ME MASTER

The IGs' best feat is replacing 616 Eternity right?

Looks like the Phoenix is comfortably above that.

PF is above the IG

Spoiler:
I hope IT doesnt read this

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
TEACH ME MASTER

😆

Never that. We're all just comic book fans here. Its all about reading and sharing.

The IG gives mastery over components that make up reality

The Phoenix Force embodies that which empowers and gives relevance to those components.

With no Big Bang, there would be no life therefore no souls, no time, no space, no reality.

In terms of sheer power its a multiversal entity, a nexus for all psionic power that exists or will ever exist in the multiverse. A universal trinket cant compare with that and it shows in terms of their comparative feats.

People forget to put things into context.

The IG is a tool that anyone can pick up and it gives you full access to its powers. Often on panel we're seeing villains wield it and do destructive things with no consideration for the wellbeing of the universe.

The Phoenix Force is a cosmic force with a role that its bound to. It is a caretaker of life and evolution so you arent going to see it doing the kind of things that some villain wielding the IG does. It has a duty of care.

LT is more powerful than the IG but he is the worst for feats as he is a cosmic entity with a role. Not a tool for every tom, dick and harry.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Read the thread and its evidence. Dont just rely on what knowledge you have.

The Phoenix Force has better feats than the IG. Much better. Read 😉

I'm gonna have to disagree with this, IG>Phoenix.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I'm gonna have to disagree with this, IG>Phoenix.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I'm gonna have to disagree with this, IG>Phoenix.

A lot of people will and thats cool.

However if we were to dig under the surface and i was to ask you why, i bet you wouldnt be able to produce greater feats than the Phoenixes best.

I also bet you couldnt explain why its nature as a trinket with universal limitations outdoes an entity who is a mutiversal nexus and a source of power for hosts across the multiverse?

As i touched on in my last post people make the opinion you have based solely on presentation. But when you put things in context, tool for all, often wielded by selfish villains, vs cosmic entity bound by role, then you arent going to get the same showings that comic fans get excited over 🙂

Originally posted by wxyz
The IGs' best feat is replacing 616 Eternity right?

Looks like the Phoenix is comfortably above that.

This is what im saying. 👆

When you're objective and you put things into perspective, the IG comes up short in terms of its nature and its feats.

You are losing here horribly.

Haha, running commentary now, are we?

Responding to my points with "retconned" and "drivel" whilst failing to counter said points is very telling Abhi-TallTales.

I've had you on life support from the get-go and I’m dispelling your myths and misconceptions left, right and centre. 

Show me one place in this thread where I’ve said the Phoenix created the Big Bang?

😂

I’ve said throughout that it is the Big Bang energies that gains sentience after the Big Bang event thus reconciling your struggle point related to the handbook saying the Phoenix Force was reborn following the Big Bang event.

So its big bang energies now after it was sentience of big bang, huh? Even that is retconned, Metatron is the energy of the creation now. Not Phoenix.

From Immortal Hulk 24.

You showing various ways the Big Bang is triggered, does not equate to a retcon of what those Big Bang energies are.

Not triggered, Galactus outright says his energies will start the new universe.

https://postimg.cc/xXkZY6hS

Comic books regularly reference or depict universes, realities or 616 as a generic universe without making reference to Eternity, that doesn't mean we don't acknowledge that Eternity is the embodiment of said universe, especially where it’s stated in continuity. The same applies for the Phoenix Force. It has been stated to be the Big Bang multiple times, therefore unless a stoty is about the Phoenix, then there is no need to reference the Phoenix with every depiction of the Big Bang. Continuity already states that the Big Bang would later form sentience and manifest as the Phoenix

Nonsense. Phoenix is not big bang, energy of creation (that's metatron) and whatever else bullshit you are peddling.

Go home, you have already lost.

If this scan is in context, it seems that even if you go by scaling, PF is superior. Even a host (albeit a strong one) can control Eternity:
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Z2D-wR1Kr-o/WJdsiq3TMNI/AAAAAAAAAvY/rYuFrZ3qSKcpnsVRSmLiR_NVzQKk64IeACLcB/s1600/x-men-forever-2.jpg

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Now its time to highlight yet again why no one should pay you any mind.

I read this briefly last night before i went to bed and I cringed.

I could not believe that someone who wants to present themselves as a credible debater could time and time again show their complete ineptitude and lack of understanding over Marvel comic fundamentals.

Can you please tell me if 616 is currently at the point of heat death, or the Big Crunch?

Course not. These would be potential future outcomes 😕

Next question.

Can you please tell the forum when future possibilities for 616 became continuity?

Theyre not. 616 has an infinite amount of possible futures so to treat any we’re shown on panel as anything but a curiosity would be a waste of time and to attempt to use them as evidence for a canonical debate would be a schoolboy error, the epitome of incompetence and said user should probably just be ignored.

Lets explore why it is utterly foolish to bank on possible futures
616 Galactus in current continuity:

Now lets have a look at the glossary of the same comic book that Abhi tried to present as canonical evidence:

Whats this? It was actually just a depiction of future 10774?

I mean even a simpleton would know better right because Franklin Richards is a teenage boy in 616 and Galactus is dead. Right? Right? ❌

And we all know from this thread how fond Mr TallTales is at using glossaries as evidence, so surely he would’ve seen this entry? Surely he wouldn’t mean to keep this from us just to protect his agenda? 🙄

Abhi-TallTales you are a complete fraud of a debater.

Lets form a list of your deficiencies [b]

Comprehension
Comic book knowledge
Knowledge in general
Integrity
Trustworthiness

Anyone think of some more? Feel free to add on.
Let’s make this a community activity 😄 [/B]

You are desperate. Galactus has been dead several times in canon. Doesn't mean he will not get resurrected.

Anyway, we got a look at the energies of the creation in Immortal Hulk 24 and its not Phoenix. Its Metatron.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
So as it stands the Phoenix Force is stated explicitly to be the all-encompassing energies of the Big Bang and psionic nexus of the multiverse.

A duality well established within Marvel.

This Mr Master-lite has attempted to prove that the Phoenix isnt the Big Bang energies [B]NOT through a canon scan saying the Big Bang is another entity but by:

. presenting a scan of a generic Big Bang occurring and said comic book depiction not saying "hey guys this is what the Phoenix Force embodies" (generic universes are presented all the time. We dont need every depiction of one to be couple with "hey guys this is what Eternity embodies" when its already stated in canon multiple times and the story isnt about said character)

. dwelling on the Phoenix being reborn in the Big Bang event. (A state of affairs well established. Its explicitly shown on panel to be the energies of the Big Bang that later develop sentience after the event, thus reconciling this point)

. presenting a glossary reference from History of the Marvel universe saying the Phoenix Force is a multiversal nexus of psionic energy (Yet the main comic book itself [B]ALSO states that it is a manifestation of the PRIME universal life force and throughout continuity it has been assigned both roles)

. presenting a scan depicting a potential future reality as canon. A depiction even further in doubt than normal for a future possibility as the main component is DEAD 😆 [/B]

That inconclusive mess is the full extent of his evidence that Phoenix is not the embodiment of the Big Bang. That the firebird is not its expression within reality.

That is in the face of scans that explicitly say that:

.the energies of creation, the Big Bang and the Phoenix Force are synonyms for the same thing.

.the firebird avatar is the embodiment of the Big Bang

It is also in the face of scans that strongly allude to the Phoenix Force being the Big Bang by saying:

.the key to stopping the Phoenix Force is by understanding the inner workings of the Big Bang and cracking universal expansion

.that if the Force wasn't present in reality there would be a void (that doesn't sound like its just psionic energy does it 😖hifty: )

.that the Phoenix Force is the sum and substance of all that lives and the mother of the stars

.the Phoenix is the PRIME universal force of life. PRIME by definition meaning the main, the most significant (The prime source of life in a reality being the Big Bang)

That about wraps this up 😎 [/B]

I've already proved that Phoenix is not the big bang.

I've already proved that Phoenix was born after big bang.

I've already proved that Metatron is the energy of the creation, not Phoenix.

You've lost repeatedly, just shut up now.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I'm gonna have to disagree with this, IG>Phoenix.

Based on what feats?

My boy Superboy Prime.

😂

Based on actual feats. Even alternate IGs have recreated entire universe from scratch.

What has Phoenix done that even approaches that?

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
My boy Superboy Prime.