Who is more powerful than the 616 Infinity Gauntlet?

Originally posted by abhilegend
You are still peddling the same shit that abstracts don't have any physical power?

How did Eternity just touched two ends of the universe if it doesn't has any physical power you buffoon?

I cant believe im having to explain this to you.

As an Abstract Eternity has no physical body, he is a conceptual being that makes use of Mbodies to give himself a physical presence. Eternity is able to draw on the power of all along the chronal axis and imbue said Mbodies with power. Without an Mbody Eternity is a bodiless sentience.

This is undisputable canon.

Those scenes from Silver Surfer are a visual representation to us as readers of Eternity folding space to aid Silver.

Similarly those scenes from Ultimates were a representation of what was happening to the Eternity entity. The universe isnt actually a humanoid figure you absolute imbecile 😆

Originally posted by abhilegend

Its outright stated to be the force which creates universes, troll.

No it isnt. Its stated to be the energy that ends one universe and starts the other.

Thats completely different to being the life sustaining energies of a reality. It doesn't even allude to being such. Its name and that description of what it does suggests its just a reset switch. If by creating you mean triggering a reset then yh 😆

Im not saying Abstracts dont have physical power. Im saying Abstracts dont have inherent power or physicality. Thats different. They make Mbodies to have a physical presence. They tap ambient universal power, they are not power unto themselves.

Its your constant misinterpretations and struggles with simple concepts that make this go on 😆

From the silence on Gaea after i posted that link im gonna assume thats another point of concession? 😕

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I never said he was the personification of space. I said the term "Eternity isnt the physical universe" and you went off on this rant to prvide some filler for your empty case

Of course he is currently.

Nope. The Big Bang is an event. Not a special power source. Theres just one pot of energy per reality that everything shares. At the start of reality that pot is in a super compressed state and then said pot expands in whats called the Big Bang. Explosion represents that point in the timeine where everything is in a compressed state, he is NOT that physical energy in and of itself. Just the concept of it.

😂

Existence of zero force says otherwise. Its a power source. And Explosion is the entirety of the big bang, phoenix is no part of it.

The zero force is just a reset power, kind of like how the Ultimate Nullifier reset reality in the Abraxas story arc. It isnt the life sustaining energies of creation anymore than the UN is

Except it's never said to be reset power. That's your fanfiction.

Eternity taps into the ambient power of the universe. He is an Abstract he has no physicality to him

LMAO, what an idiot.

I dont get how you dont understand this.

This is what leads you to keep posting nonsense, because you dont take the time out to process things and see if the other side has a point. You just talk lol

Coming from a loon like you? Bwahaha.

The Phoenix Force is just sentient life force. It did not create reality, it is the fundamental life force of reality that itself is a creation.

And what does that has to do with big bang?

We know that after the Celestial War that a part of the First Firmament broke off and after time developed into a sentient entity. Multi-Eternity developed its own systems and cosmology.

So who knows? The Phoenix Force could just be a system of Multi-Eternitys that developed in a similar way. We've never had an explanation.

Yes, we do. Its just nexus of psionic energy.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I cant believe im having to explain this to you.

As an Abstract Eternity has no physical body, he is a conceptual being that makes use of Mbodies to give himself a physical presence. Eternity is able to draw on the power of all along the chronal axis and imbue said Mbodies with power. Without an Mbody Eternity is a bodiless sentience.

This is undisputable canon.

Those scenes from Silver Surfer are a visual representation to us as readers of Eternity folding space to aid Silver.

LMAO what? How did Eternity fold space when it has no power on space as per you just like Explosion has no power on big bang?

Similarly those scenes from Ultimates were a representation of what was happening to the Eternity entity. The universe isnt actually a humanoid figure you absolute imbecile :

Then how come Eternity was dying of a flesh wound in Fantastic Four when space was infected?

And Strange had to cut Eternity open? Also Eternity is the life force of the universe, you might find another retcon there.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
No it isnt. Its stated to be the energy that ends one universe and starts the other.

Thats completely different to being the life sustaining energies of a reality. It doesn't even allude to being such. Its name and that description of what it does suggests its just a reset switch. If by creating you mean triggering a reset then yh 😆

https://postimg.cc/18Wk7qMb

Phoenix doesn't sustains even the universe lmao. What does the space turkey even do?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Im not saying Abstracts dont have physical power. Im saying Abstracts dont have inherent power or physicality. Thats different. They make Mbodies to have a physical presence. They tap ambient universal power, they are not power unto themselves.

Its your constant misinterpretations and struggles with simple concepts that make this go on 😆

You're in such denial.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
From the silence on Gaea after i posted that link im gonna assume thats another point of concession? 😕

Also as latest as Marvel Comics 1000, Eternity Mask was created by the substance which makes up Eternity.

"Substance", not some concept.

Also Dr Strange 15-16-17 confirms again that Eternity is the combined sentience of the universe.

Phoenix is not even the lifeforce of the universe anymore.

As ive said time and time again, your biggest problem is that youre not here to uncover the truth, youre here to try and come on top in this debate with me.

This leads you to either falsely and intentionally misrepresent evidence, or at the very least have a biased mind-set when it comes to your interpretation of scans.

When something is established in canon and you come across a new scan suggesting a change an objective debater would look at this new evidence to see if it’s a conclusive change to continuity/retcon through explicit narration or reputable character statement that highlights an element that is not compatible or cant be explained away by previous established continuity.
If it can be explained away within the parameters of existing continuity then said objective debater would say to themselves ok this evidence is inconclusive but I’ll bookmark this in case more evidence comes along of a more conclusive nature in which case I’ll be able to present an indisputable picture of the change at a later date.

YOU look at anything that even hints that it could be of use to your agenda and present it as fact, or a change regardless of how ambiguous the source, regardless of what has been established as canon and that is a major factor in why you’re a poor debater. You have no respect for canon and in this whole thread, in the 3 weeks we’ve been “debating “you’ve produced ONE piece of conclusive evidence for your agenda and that was the scans regarding Explosion.

Everything else is a load of ambiguous scans you’ve strung together and accompanied with your misguided narrative.

So im not going to go back and forth quoting every single thing you’ve said. That allows the real evidence to be buried and hides the empty nature of your case.
We’ll do this one point at a time and then move on when you’re unable to reply with any conclusive evidence within 2 days.
. After my post you will have 2 days within which to provide conclusive evidence of a retcon. Conclusive as in your point is stated explicitly and it cannot be explained away by pre-existing continuity. If you can’t then it’s an automatic concession then on to the next point. Same rules apply for me.
The 1st point I will cover in this format will be the nature of the Abstracts 😄

In Marvel it is long established canon, that the Abstracts are not physical entities and that they have no inherent physical body or power themselves. They are sentient concepts that form when the thing they represent is introduced into reality.

The History of The Marvel Universe from July 2019 confirms that the Abstracts are just sentient echoes of the energies and consciousness’s that make up the universe:

An echo by definition is a parallel feeling or idea
Or something whose characteristics make you think of something else
So the abstracts are sentient entities that develop into echoes/reflections of the physical universe, whilst not actually being that which they embody.

This comic further expanded upon this stating in 2019 that the Abstracts have ZERO physicality. They are living concepts who make use of physical beings called the living fractals who shape themselves into a form of the Abstracts choosing in order to give themselves a physical presence within the universe. This recent publication also confirms that we as readers are to treat the details revealed in the Quasar comic as UNDISPUTABLE CANON:

In Quasar, Seeker of Knowledge asks the Abstract called Anomaly if he is the author/creator of the universe because he embodies anomalies and the Big Bang stemmed from an anomaly:

Anomaly makes it clear that embodiments don’t create what they embody, wherever what they personify exists in reality they are there in spirit but have nothing to do with the conditions in which they exist:

Anomaly further clarifies the nature of the Abstract beings stating what HOMU said that the Abstracts are sentient beings who assume roles and become reflections of aspects of the actual universe.

Where have we recently seen on panel a sentience assume concept embodiment within reality?

The creation of Logos:

Here Chaos and Order assumed the role of multiversal judge. Why were they able to do this? Because the Abstracts roles are all assumed. They are not physically what they embody they are sentient entities who reflect or choose to embody aspects of the actual universe and shape themselves accordingly with the help of the living fractals

Here is a scene from Quasar (which we’re told is to be treated as canon.) Here the living fractals talk of how they have an agreement with the Abstracts to shape their bodies into any form the Abstract wishes:

Eternity’s handbook bio from 2006 also provides conclusive insight stating flat out that Eternity has no physical presence and must make use of the living fractals in order to do so.

It also states that Eternity taps universal power. He doesn’t generate it himself. Why? Because hes a sentience that assumed the role of the chronal axis. He isn’t actually the physical universe itself. The power is therefore conclusively not a part of him. He draws on it externally. Eternity is a sentience that has developed into the role as revealed in HOMU and Quasar.

That is why Thanos was able to dethrone Eternity and become sentience of the universe in the IG saga as the Abstracts roles are assumed roles. The Abstracts aren’t physically what they embody, they are sentient bodiless entities who have assumed roles making them just reflections or echoes of reality.

So just to summarize, the Abstracts aren’t physical whatsoever, so any on panel depiction of any physicality is either an Mbody they’ve had fashioned for them by the living fractals or just a visual representation for the reader to show what is happening to the Abstract in the story.

Any of the ambiguous material you’ve presented with regards to Eternity can be explained away within the parameters of existing and established continuity.

Therefore I ask have you got anything post July 2019 (the date that the HOMU reaffirms what is continuity) that states that the nature of the Abstracts has changed and they now have become physical beings and actually ARE what they embody physically as opposed to just being bodiless sentient entities that have assumed a non-permanent role that continuity has shown can be taken from them? 😕

As ive said time and time again, your biggest problem is that youre not here to uncover the truth, youre here to try and come on top in this debate with me.

Haha, oh the ego. I've already kicked your ass to all the way here. Its just fun at this point to see how far you are willing to go before you quit this forum, again.

This leads you to either falsely and intentionally misrepresent evidence, or at the very least have a biased mind-set when it comes to your interpretation of scans.

LMAO, you are accusing others of bias? Bwahaha.

When something is established in canon and you come across a new scan suggesting a change an objective debater would look at this new evidence to see if it’s a conclusive change to continuity/retcon through explicit narration or reputable character statement that highlights an element that is not compatible or cant be explained away by previous established continuity.

Nobody at marvel cares about continuity anymore. This is not hard to understand.

If it can be explained away within the parameters of existing continuity then said objective debater would say to themselves ok this evidence is inconclusive but I’ll bookmark this in case more evidence comes along of a more conclusive nature in which case I’ll be able to present an indisputable picture of the change at a later date.

Nope, its all a retcon by every new information. You are a fossil, you simply don't understand how comics work, never did.

YOU look at anything that even hints that it could be of use to your agenda and present it as fact, or a change regardless of how ambiguous the source, regardless of what has been established as canon and that is a major factor in why you’re a poor debater. You have no respect for canon and in this whole thread, in the 3 weeks we’ve been “debating “you’ve produced ONE piece of conclusive evidence for your agenda and that was the scans regarding Explosion.

LMAO, your fanfiction and agenda is evident to everyone at this point.

Everything else is a load of ambiguous scans you’ve strung together and accompanied with your misguided narrative.

Nope, that may work with someone else. What I post is irrefutable.

So im not going to go back and forth quoting every single thing you’ve said. That allows the real evidence to be buried and hides the empty nature of your case.
We’ll do this one point at a time and then move on when you’re unable to reply with any conclusive evidence within 2 days.
. After my post you will have 2 days within which to provide conclusive evidence of a retcon. Conclusive as in your point is stated explicitly and it cannot be explained away by pre-existing continuity. If you can’t then it’s an automatic concession then on to the next point. Same rules apply for me.
The 1st point I will cover in this format will be the nature of the Abstracts

Get ****ed idiot. If you want to run away again, I don't care. I'm just going to kick your ass all over the forum, again.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Haha, oh the ego. I've already kicked your ass to all the way here. Its just fun at this point to see how far you are willing to go before you quit this forum, again.

LMAO, you are accusing others of bias? Bwahaha.

Nobody at marvel cares about continuity anymore. This is not hard to understand.

Nope, its all a retcon by every new information. You are a fossil, you simply don't understand how comics work, never did.

LMAO, your fanfiction and agenda is evident to everyone at this point.

Nope, that may work with someone else. What I post is irrefutable.

Get ****ed idiot. If you want to run away again, I don't care. I'm just going to kick your ass all over the forum, again.

Unless youre talking ability to spew shit and look damn foolish you have not kicked my ass a day in your life.

Thats beyond your ability. 😆

What you have done is spam the thread with your nonsense and unsupported interpretations and wacky theories that ive debunked time and time again. 😉

Anyone reading this thread can see that. Thats why most of the comments since i got involved in the thread have written the IG off as universal and overrated.

Your victories reside solely in your mind alone and thats a very sad state of affairs ✅

Im in a comfortable position here, the evidence supports me and it does so conclusively. Stay seething b*tch 😮‍💨

So given that the evidence states CONCLUSIVELY AND EXPLICITLY that as per current continuity the Abstracts are not physical entities, they have zero inherent physical power, they draw on universal power, their roles are assumed and they can be replaced can you please show us where it states explicitly that this nature has changed post July 2019 when all of the above was reaffirmed?

Where does it state that Abstracts are no longer abstract? 😂

Where does it state that they are now physical entities and they are now physically what they embody?

All your evidence can be explained away as Mbodies and visual representation.

SHOW US THE EVIDENCE!! 😱 😆

The countdown begins

Happy hunting b*tch 😮‍💨

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
In Marvel it is long established canon, that the Abstracts are not physical entities and that they have no inherent physical body or power themselves. They are sentient concepts that form when the thing they represent is introduced into reality.

The History of The Marvel Universe from July 2019 confirms that the Abstracts are just sentient echoes of the energies and consciousness’s that make up the universe:

An echo by definition is a parallel feeling or idea
Or something whose characteristics make you think of something else
So the abstracts are sentient entities that develop into echoes/reflections of the physical universe, whilst not actually being that which they embody.

This comic further expanded upon this stating in 2019 that the Abstracts have [B]ZERO physicality. They are living concepts who make use of physical beings called the living fractals who shape themselves into a form of the Abstracts choosing in order to give themselves a physical presence within the universe. This recent publication also confirms that we as readers are to treat the details revealed in the Quasar comic as UNDISPUTABLE CANON:

In Quasar, Seeker of Knowledge asks the Abstract called Anomaly if he is the author/creator of the universe because he embodies anomalies and the Big Bang stemmed from an anomaly:

Anomaly makes it clear that embodiments don’t create what they embody, wherever what they personify exists in reality they are there in spirit but have nothing to do with the conditions in which they exist:

Anomaly further clarifies the nature of the Abstract beings stating what HOMU said that the Abstracts are sentient beings who assume roles and become reflections of aspects of the actual universe.

Where have we recently seen on panel a sentience assume concept embodiment within reality?

The creation of Logos:

Here Chaos and Order assumed the role of multiversal judge. Why were they able to do this? Because the Abstracts roles are all assumed. They are not physically what they embody they are sentient entities who reflect or choose to embody aspects of the actual universe and shape themselves accordingly with the help of the living fractals [/B]

In Marvel it is long established canon, that the Abstracts are not physical entities and that they have no inherent physical body or power themselves. They are sentient concepts that form when the thing they represent is introduced into reality.

Guess I'll accept your concession about FF 550 retcon then?

An echo by definition is a parallel feeling or idea
Or something whose characteristics make you think of something else
So the abstracts are sentient entities that develop into echoes/reflections of the physical universe, whilst not actually being that which they embody.

This comic further expanded upon this stating in 2019 that the Abstracts have ZERO physicality. They are living concepts who make use of physical beings called the living fractals who shape themselves into a form of the Abstracts choosing in order to give themselves a physical presence within the universe. This recent publication also confirms that we as readers are to treat the details revealed in the Quasar comic as UNDISPUTABLE CANON:

The comic is further retconned by Marvel Comics 1000 which states that Eternity Mask was created from the substance of Eternity which is not possible if Eternity was simply a concept and had no physicality. Its from August 2019.

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Marvel_Comics_Vol_1_1000

https://postimg.cc/LhYWQts9

Quasar 20 has been long retconned anyway where Galactus was shown to be a physical being but he is now just a concept.

In Quasar, Seeker of Knowledge asks the Abstract called Anomaly if he is the author/creator of the universe because he embodies anomalies and the Big Bang stemmed from an anomaly:

There is not even a mention of Big Bang there. Anyway that series has been retconned to hell at this point, why are you bringing 30 years old scans at this point?

Anomaly further clarifies the nature of the Abstract beings stating what HOMU said that the Abstracts are sentient beings who assume roles and become reflections of aspects of the actual universe.

Who cares? According to that book Eternity was the life force of the universe.

Would you accept it now? As you are accepting all the quotes from Quasar as gospel?

Where have we recently seen on panel a sentience assume concept embodiment within reality?

The creation of Logos:

Do you know who was absent entirely from Ewing's cosmology? Phoenix Force, not even a mention of it. Should we accept that Phoenix is not a cosmic force anymore?

Here Chaos and Order assumed the role of multiversal judge. Why were they able to do this? Because the Abstracts roles are all assumed. They are not physically what they embody they are sentient entities who reflect or choose to embody aspects of the actual universe and shape themselves accordingly with the help of the living fractals

You are going by random tangents now. As per Ewing's Ultimatres, Eternity is the life force of the universe, just like in Quasar.

"Living sentience of the cosmos, Eternity called me".

You are the worst, choosing what fits your agenda and discarding everything else. Accept the whole truth, coward.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Here is a scene from Quasar (which we’re told is to be treated as canon.) Here the living fractals talk of how they have an agreement with the Abstracts to shape their bodies into any form the Abstract wishes:

Eternity’s handbook bio from 2006 also provides conclusive insight stating flat out that Eternity has no physical presence and must make use of the living fractals in order to do so.

It also states that Eternity taps universal power. He doesn’t generate it himself. Why? Because hes a sentience that assumed the role of the chronal axis. He isn’t actually the physical universe itself. The power is therefore conclusively not a part of him. He draws on it externally. Eternity is a sentience that has developed into the role as revealed in HOMU and Quasar.

That is why Thanos was able to dethrone Eternity and become sentience of the universe in the IG saga as the Abstracts roles are assumed roles. The Abstracts aren’t physically what they embody, they are sentient bodiless entities who have assumed roles making them just reflections or echoes of reality.

So just to summarize, the Abstracts aren’t physical whatsoever, so any on panel depiction of any physicality is either an Mbody they’ve had fashioned for them by the living fractals or just a visual representation for the reader to show what is happening to the Abstract in the story.

Any of the ambiguous material you’ve presented with regards to Eternity can be explained away within the parameters of existing and established continuity.

Therefore I ask have you got anything post July 2019 (the date that the HOMU reaffirms what is continuity) that states that the nature of the Abstracts has changed and they now have become physical beings and actually ARE what they embody physically as opposed to just being bodiless sentient entities that have assumed a non-permanent role that continuity has shown can be taken from them? 😕

https://postimg.cc/Pph0KpZ8

While Phoenix Force was just an extraterrestrial energy form.

Guess you'll accept that as truth? I guess not.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Guess I'll accept your concession about FF 550 retcon then?

The comic is further retconned by Marvel Comics 1000 which states that Eternity Mask was created from the substance of Eternity which is not possible if Eternity was simply a concept and had no physicality. Its from August 2019.

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Marvel_Comics_Vol_1_1000

https://postimg.cc/LhYWQts9

Quasar 20 has been long retconned anyway where Galactus was shown to be a physical being but he is now just a concept.

There is not even a mention of Big Bang there. Anyway that series has been retconned to hell at this point, why are you bringing 30 years old scans at this point?

Who cares? According to that book Eternity was the life force of the universe.

Would you accept it now? As you are accepting all the quotes from Quasar as gospel?

Do you know who was absent entirely from Ewing's cosmology? Phoenix Force, not even a mention of it. Should we accept that Phoenix is not a cosmic force anymore?

You are going by random tangents now. As per Ewing's Ultimatres, Eternity is the life force of the universe, just like in Quasar.

"Living sentience of the cosmos, Eternity called me".

You are the worst, choosing what fits your agenda and discarding everything else. Accept the whole truth, coward.

I cant see a single part of this which shows any post July 2019 evidence of a retcon to the nature of Abstracts.

Lets keep on track here. Everything else will be addressed in due course.

I wil not let you deflect or bury the fact that you have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING 😱

Marvel has told us what is canon as of JULY 2019, you are in no position to refer to outdated, retconned sources and tell us Marvel has it wrong.

Seek help looney tune.

But ahead of that........

SHOW US THE EVIDENCE! 😱 😂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
So given that the evidence states CONCLUSIVELY AND EXPLICITLY that as per current continuity the Abstracts are not physical entities, they have zero inherent physical power, they draw on universal power, their roles are assumed and they can be replaced can you please show us where it states explicitly that this nature has changed post July 2019 when all of the above was reaffirmed?

Where does it state that Abstracts are no longer abstract? 😂

Where does it state that they are now physical entities and they are now physically what they embody?

All your evidence can be explained away as Mbodies and visual representation.

SHOW US THE EVIDENCE!! 😱 😆

The countdown begins

Happy hunting b*tch 😮‍💨

Originally posted by abhilegend
As per Quasar, Eternity is the life force of the universe.

https://postimg.cc/Pph0KpZ8

While Phoenix Force was just an extraterrestrial energy form.

Guess you'll accept that as truth? I guess not.

Good try sweetheart doesnt work like that ❌

Quasar is canon regarding the nature of the Abstracts, not all things Marvel.

Thats kind of why the Phoenix Force entry had its own separate references so we know whats canon for the Phoenix Force. Heres a clue....NOT QUASAR! 😱 😆

Youre such a simpleton 😆