Originally posted by abhilegend
Hey idiot, its a cycle as seen in Captain Marvel 5/6. Entropy became Eternity by the loop of big bang.Retconned away long ago and again in Nightmask and Starbrand 3 where Explosion is the embodiment of big bang and Gravitation is the spirit of big crunch aka death of the universe.
https://i.postimg.cc/vGczx4Mg/RCO015.jpg
You just accepted it, you idiot. Are you suffering from dementia?
Youre so dumb 😆
Theres a reason the likes of Death, Entropy and Oblivion are tied together in a similar fashion to how Eternity and Infinity are (and no doubt Explosion now)
Their roles overlap and are connected. Whether a universe ends by Entropy, Oblivion or Big Crunch, it is still the DEATH of the universe so ties into Deaths agenda.
The takeaway is Death highlights the universe as Phoenixes handiwork and clarifies that she is the embodiment of life and the sum and substance of all that lives 😄
Explosion is just an abstract and embodies a blip on a universes lifeline. He has no physicality or inherent power, he just taps universal power. Zero evidence has been provided to state that the Phoenix is no longer the energies of creation that sustain a universe. 😄
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Explosion is a conceptual entity, it is an abstract. Stop debating a point if you dont understand the topic. Be humble and read instead of stubbornly flapping those gums
So you are saying phoenix is not a conceptual entity like Eternity and below abstracts now?
Eternity is not the physical universe, he embodies it.
Eternity is the personification of time idiot, Infinity is the sum total of physical space.
It doesn't just embodies the space, IT IS THE SPACE.
Explosion is not the physical Big Bang he embodies it as a conceptual being.
LMAO, what?
You have not given any evidence to say that another entity is the physical energies of the Big Bang. There is zero evidence of a retcon in that regard, Nightmask and Starbrand merely introduced Explosion. AN ABSTRACT.
Originally posted by abhilegend
[B]Also you are in luck because marvel again shits at your fanfiction of Phoenix as the big bang energies.Here's the important part.
From Fantastic Four 25, zero force is the energy which creates and destroys universes. Not phoenix force, again.
😂
You were saying?
Youve conceded consistently throughout this thread, the difference is i step up and say it with chest like the man i am. You just move on to another desperate ploy and dont mention that i left you stumped
😂
You are just an idiot at this point.
You have failed to prove that another entity is the energies of creation. What you have proved is that theres an embodiment for the Big Bang event. Hats off to you. Hes an abstract who like all the others has no inherent power and taps into ambient universal energies. He is not the substance of said energies themselves, therefore pre-existing canon still stands. Its Phoenix baby
Yes, he is. How are you such a shit debater?
Good try ***** but the Chaos Gaea is referring to is the Chaos at the start of Planet Earths creation NOT the universe.
Nope, she is talking about universe's creation.
Furthermore Gaeas referring to the Earth gods shes responsible for birthing when she calls herself the font of creation.Gaea herself is a creation of the Demiurge who is just the life-force of Planet Earth 😱 Try again 😆
Not as per Chaos War.
The universal Abstract Death and the Phoenix Force itself highlight the Phoenix as the sum and substance of all universal life. 😉
Death does, not phoenix force.
Are you seriously going to try and tell me and the rest of the forum that the matter and energy released in the Big Bang event didnt facilitate life? 😕 You cannot be that stupid. Tell a lie. You definitely can [/B]
Nope, life is just a minuscule part of the energies of big bang. Its not the complete energy of big bang idiot. Have you ever read science?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Also you are in luck because marvel again shits at your fanfiction of Phoenix as the big bang energies.Here's the important part.
From Fantastic Four 25, zero force is the energy which creates and destroys universes. Not phoenix force, again.
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Errr Phoenix Force doesn't create universes, it sustains them as the life force of a reality. 😕
That zero energy reads as a universal reset power source, not the power that sustains life.
Another day another Abhi FAIL 😱 😆
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Youre so dumb 😆Theres a reason the likes of Death, Entropy and Oblivion are tied together in a similar fashion to how Eternity and Infinity are (and no doubt Explosion now)
Phoenix doesn't enters the equation anywhere.
Their roles overlap and are connected. Whether a universe ends by Entropy, Oblivion or Big Crunch, it is still the DEATH of the universe so ties into Deaths agenda.
Not according of the recent retcon.
The takeaway is Death highlights the universe as Phoenixes handiwork and clarifies that she is the embodiment of life and the sum and substance of all that lives 😄Explosion is just an abstract and embodies a blip on a universes lifeline. He has no physicality or inherent power, he just taps universal power. Zero evidence has been provided to state that the Phoenix is no longer the energies of creation that sustain a universe. 😄
LMAO, you have already conceded that Phoenix is not the embodiment of big bang. Concede once again that it is not the energy of big bang either.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Also you are in luck because marvel again shits at your fanfiction of Phoenix as the big bang energies.Here's the important part.
From Fantastic Four 25, zero force is the energy which creates and destroys universes. Not phoenix force, again.
😂
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Errr Phoenix Force doesn't create universes, it sustains them as the life force of a reality.
So its not the energy of the big bang which created the universe, just the life force, eh?
That zero energy reads as a universal reset power source, not the power that sustains life.
So you concede that Phoenix did not create the universe?
Another day another Abhi FAIL 😱 😆
Haha, its another day, another conceding by you. Let's see how long it goes.
Just to reiterate, Galacticstorm has conceded on both point (Phoenix doesn't embodies the big bang and Phoenix doesn't creates the universe) at this point.
Originally posted by abhilegend
And as you want the exact words, here you go. Explosion (Child of Eternity) is the spirit/embodiment of big bang now.Starbrand and Nightmask 3. And the events were mentioned in Ultimates 6
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Now [B]THIS is more like it. Its taken 3 weeks but you've finally provided some evidence that flat out states your point on panel.I was right to rubbish your previous claims that the likes of Sise Neg, Franklin Richards, Metatron and Entropy were the embodiments of the Big Bang as the evidence didn't show that. It was just your interpretation which you yourself have now found to be wrong.
I hope you can see the difference between the ambiguous evidence your case consisted of before and the evidence that you've just presented here now.
The spirit and the embodiment of the Big Bang as it currently stands in continuity is Explosion.
That cant be argued against.
There is however a sticking point. 😖hifty:
The Abstracts are conceptual entities. By that I mean they have no physicality or inherent power, they are sentient ideas that are able to draw power from that which they represent in the physical universe and have Mbodies crafted for them so they can have a physical presence in reality and make use of said power.
As confirmed in his bio for example Eternity isnt the physical universe and its energies himself, he is a living concept that can draw on that power:
So the same holds true for Explosion as per the nature of a conceptual/Abstract being. He is 100% the sentient idea/concept of the Big Bang, no one can argue against that. However he isnt the physical Big Bang/energies of creation themselves. That's the differentiating factor between the Phoenix Force and Explosion.
Explosion is the living concept of the Big Bang event and its spirit and can use an Mbody to tap into that power, the Phoenix Force is physically said energies with this long established role as the prime universal life-force reaffirmed as recently as 2019, 3 years after the debut of Explosion in 2016
So nice find with regards to those Nightmask/Starbrand/Ultimates scans.
A retcon has taken place. But it doesn't quite mean what you probably thought it did. [/B]
Originally posted by abhilegend
Also you are in luck because marvel again shits at your fanfiction of Phoenix as the big bang energies.Here's the important part.
From Fantastic Four 25, zero force is the energy which creates and destroys universes. Not phoenix force, again.
😂
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Errr Phoenix Force doesn't create universes, it sustains them as the life force of a reality.That zero energy reads as a universal reset power source, not the power that sustains life.
Another day another Abhi FAIL
Lets see how many concedings we can get in upcoming days.
Originally posted by abhilegend
So you are saying phoenix is not a conceptual entity like Eternity and below abstracts now?Eternity is the personification of time idiot, Infinity is the sum total of physical space.
It doesn't just embodies the space, IT IS THE SPACE.
Nope. That is not what that handbook entry says. It says together with Eternity they encompass all creation REPRESENTING time and space. Im crying. You try so hard 😂
You based a retcon on the use of the word "encompass"? Are you serious?!! LOL
Encompass means to include, to have covered, to account for. How on Earth did you interpret that as meaning she is physical space?
Shes an Abstract you complete donut 😆 LOL
Originally posted by abhilegend
You were saying?
I was saying that youre wrong LOL
Your scan doesnt show that the zero force is anything but a reset trigger for reality. The cues in its name. ZERO force as in it takes reality back to zero. Nothing states it is the energies which sustain reality just that it is the energies that restart it.
That would affect Explosion and Gravitation if anything 😱 😂
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, he is. How are you such a shit debater?
Nope. Hes an Abstract. Its canon that abstracts have no physicality and use Mbodies to have a physical presence.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Nope, she is talking about universe's creation.Not as per Chaos War.
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/gaeathor.htm
Please learn your Marvel you complete amateur 🙄
Originally posted by abhilegend
Death does, not phoenix force.
Its in Classic X-men 43, Death states consusively that the Phoenix is the emodiment of life and the sum and substance of all that lives 🙂
Originally posted by abhilegend
Nope, life is just a minuscule part of the energies of big bang. Its not the complete energy of big bang idiot. Have you ever read science?
You dont read do you? You just throw sh*t out there without properly processing ahead of time.
Youre the one saying its just living things. My last few posts have demonstrated that the "life" we're talking about is the cosmos itself. Taking it from the state of a void to having stars,planets and also living beings. Thats what the scans conclusively say Phoenix is. 🙄
Originally posted by abhilegend
Phoenix doesn't enters the equation anywhere.
Unfortunately for you marvel canon disagrees 😉
Originally posted by abhilegend
Not according of the recent retcon.
What retcon would that be 😕
The introduction of Entropy, Gravitation and Oblivion doesnt change the fact that the end of the universe regardless of the method (i.e heat death, big crunch ) is still the death of the universe so Death gets a piece of the pie with any of those outcomes.
Sorry kid 😉
Originally posted by abhilegend
LMAO, you have already conceded that Phoenix is not the embodiment of big bang. Concede once again that it is not the energy of big bang either.
You conceded on Sise Neg, then Franklin Richards and then Metatron being the energies of creation
You conceded on the M'kraan crystal being multiversal
You conceded on Feron only wielding a portion of the Phoenix
You conceded on all avatars having different access to the Force
As i said before, the difference betwen us is i have integrity. I wanna highlight the truth, so if you bring up something valid thats got conclusive proof i'll stand up and accept it.
You just skip to the next point and never mention it again 😆
Originally posted by abhilegend
So its not the energy of the big bang which created the universe, just the life force, eh?
See. This is why i say youre dumb.
You just dont understand the simplest things 😆
The Big Bang is an event that describes the expansion of universal matter/energy from a super dense, superhot state. It is just a reference to a point in the universal timeline, it is not some reference to some special pot of energy.
This energy/matter is all the energy and matter that will ever exist naturally within a Marvel universes.
After the Big Bang, all that energy was released into the void. Phoenix is that life facilitating energy hence why it is "all that is" and "mother of the stars" and why it is "the sum and substance of all that lives". The Phoenix is reborn or reintroduced to reality in this event as the ambient energies of creation that facilitate life and were unleashed following the Big Bang event.
Explosion is the embodiment of just that one moment at the beginning of time, the Big Bang. He is an Abstract and so has no physicality and is not the physical energies of the Big Bang. The rest of the timeline up until Entropy, Oblivion, Gravitation is embodies by Eternity.
Originally posted by abhilegend
So you concede that Phoenix did not create the universe?
Ive NEVER stated that the Phoenix is the creator of the universe in this thread. NEVER. Find the quote, tell me the page of this thread i said it in or shut the hell up 😱
Originally posted by abhilegend
Haha, its another day, another conceding by you. Let's see how long it goes.
Youve had one from me. Ive had a multitude of silent ones from you kid. Im a confident, secure man. I can admit when im wrong. Carry on kid 😉
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Nope. That is not what that handbook entry says. It says together with Eternity they encompass all creation [b]REPRESENTING time and space. Im crying. You try so hard
Encompasses. They encompass all of creation you nitwit.
When ultimates went outside Eternity, they actually went outside the entire omniverse.
You are such a buffoon. Its hard to fathom actually.
You based a retcon on the use of the word "encompass"? Are you serious?!! LOL
No, its always that way you idiot. From Strange Tales 138 onwards.
Encompass means to include, to have covered, to account for. How on Earth did you interpret that as meaning she is physical space?
Because its physical space, you idiot.
Shes an Abstract you complete donut
And again laughing like a baboon. What else can you do except post laughing emoticons?
I was saying that youre wrong LOLYour scan doesnt show that the zero force is anything but a reset trigger for reality. The cues in its name. ZERO force as in it takes reality back to zero. Nothing states it is the energies which sustain reality just that it is the energies that restart it.
That would affect Explosion and Gravitation if anything
Haha, this is just pathetic now. You conceded, moron. At least have some dignity in losing.
Nope. Hes an Abstract. Its canon that abstracts have no physicality and use Mbodies to have a physical presence.
That doesn't mean they don't have physical power moron.
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/gaeathor.htmPlease learn your Marvel you complete amateur
Using a non official source, LMAO.
Its in Classic X-men 43, Death states consusively that the Phoenix is the emodiment of life and the sum and substance of all that lives 🙂
Who cares? Its retconned now as only psionic force.
You dont read do you? You just throw sh*t out there without properly processing ahead of time.Youre the one saying its just living things. My last few posts have demonstrated that the "life" we're talking about is the cosmos itself. Taking it from the state of a void to having stars,planets and also living beings. Thats what the scans conclusively say Phoenix is. 🙄 [/B]
crylaugh
This is just sad now.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Unfortunately for you marvel canon disagrees 😉
You mean your fanfiction?
What retcon would that be 😕
Take your pick.
The introduction of Entropy, Gravitation and Oblivion doesnt change the fact that the end of the universe regardless of the method (i.e heat death, big crunch ) is still the death of the universe so Death gets a piece of the pie with any of those outcomes.Sorry kid 😉
Nope, its not the role of Death in that scene. Death is nowhere to be seen.
You conceded on Sise Neg, then Franklin Richards and then Metatron being the energies of creation
Haha, where did I do that idiot?
You conceded on the M'kraan crystal being multiversal
Never did.
You conceded on Feron only wielding a portion of the Phoenix
Never happened.
You conceded on all avatars having different access to the Force
Nope, again your imagination.
As i said before, the difference betwen us is i have integrity. I wanna highlight the truth, so if you bring up something valid thats got conclusive proof i'll stand up and accept it.
You'll accept it anyway whether you like it or not. Lets see how much you want to get more humiliated before you quit the forum again.
You just skip to the next point and never mention it again 😆
Yes, because I already owned on you that. Why repeat when I can humiliate again and again?
This is still as relevant as the day i posted. On panel references to the nature of the Abstracts that Abhi refuses to acknowledge as it doesnt coincide with his misguided agenda:
Originally posted by GalacticStormThe spirit and the embodiment of the Big Bang as it currently stands in continuity is Explosion.
That cant be argued against.
There is however a sticking point. 😖hifty:
The Abstracts are conceptual entities. By that I mean they have no physicality or inherent power, they are sentient ideas that are able to draw power from that which they represent in the physical universe and have Mbodies crafted for them so they can have a physical presence in reality and make use of said power.
As confirmed in his bio for example Eternity isnt the physical universe and its energies himself, he is a living concept that can draw on that power:
So the same holds true for Explosion as per the nature of a conceptual/Abstract being. He is 100% the sentient idea/concept of the Big Bang, no one can argue against that. However he isnt the physical Big Bang/energies of creation themselves. That's the differentiating factor between the Phoenix Force and Explosion.
Explosion is the living concept of the Big Bang event and its spirit and can use an Mbody to tap into that power, the Phoenix Force is physically said energies with this long established role as the prime universal life-force reaffirmed as recently as 2019, 3 years after the debut of Explosion in 2016
So nice find with regards to those Nightmask/Starbrand/Ultimates scans.
A retcon has taken place. But it doesn't quite mean what you probably thought it did.
Explosion represents the Big Bang, the beginning of the timeline, the Phoenix Force is the resultant life giving energies of creation that are unleashed following that event 🙂
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
See. This is why i say youre dumb.
Coming from the idiot who thinks Eternity is personification of space instead of time?
You just dont understand the simplest things 😆The Big Bang is an event that describes the expansion of universal matter/energy from a super dense, superhot state. It is just a reference to a point in the universal timeline, it is not some reference to some special pot of energy.
In marvel comics it is.
This energy/matter is all the energy and matter that will ever exist naturally within a Marvel universes.
And it is Zero Force as per FF 25.
After the Big Bang, all that energy was released into the void. Phoenix is that life facilitating energy hence why it is "all that is" and "mother of the stars" and why it is "the sum and substance of all that lives". The Phoenix is reborn or reintroduced to reality in this event as the ambient energies of creation that facilitate life and were unleashed following the Big Bang event.
Nope, that's zero force. You just said Phoenix doesn't creates universe.
Explosion is the embodiment of just that one moment at the beginning of time, the Big Bang. He is an Abstract and so has no physicality and is not the physical energies of the Big Bang. The rest of the timeline up until Entropy, Oblivion, Gravitation is embodies by Eternity.
Of course he has physical power. All abstracts do.
Ive NEVER stated that the Phoenix is the creator of the universe in this thread. NEVER. Find the quote, tell me the page of this thread i said it in or shut the hell up
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
[B]Your question is irrelevant as the Phoenix is the Big Bang. Its not its own creator. So why would i prove something that i havent claimed you imbecile? 😆Completely lost the plot. bangin
"Phoenix is the big bang"
You are still saying that Phoenix is the energy of the big bang. What created the universe if not the big bang? Phoenix is both the energy of the big bang but not created the universe? So how did the universe was created?
Youve had one from me. Ive had a multitude of silent ones from you kid. Im a confident, secure man. I can admit when im wrong. Carry on kid 😉 [/B]
Haha, dream on *****.
Originally posted by abhilegend
You mean your fanfiction?Take your pick.
Nope, its not the role of Death in that scene. Death is nowhere to be seen.
Haha, where did I do that idiot?
Never did.
Never happened.
Nope, again your imagination.
You'll accept it anyway whether you like it or not. Lets see how much you want to get more humiliated before you quit the forum again.
Yes, because I already owned on you that. Why repeat when I can humiliate again and again?
As i said before, when you have nothing you resort to retcon, retcon retcon, fanfiction, fanfiction!
Explosion is an Abstract with zero physicality therefore by canon he CONCLUSIVELY cannot be the physical energies of creation.
The zero force is not stated to be the energiesof creation either and instead reads as a universal reset force thst can restart universes back to zero.
And thats what youre left with buddy ZERO 😱
So youre back to square one with ZERO evidence of another entity being the life giving energies of creation.
I love this 😄
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
This is still as relevant as the day i posted. On panel references to the nature of the Abstracts that Abhi refuses to acknowledge as it doesnt coincide with his misguided agenda:Explosion represents the Big Bang, the beginning of the timeline, the Phoenix Force is the resultant life giving energies of creation that are unleashed following that event 🙂
How did Eternity just touched two ends of the universe if it doesn't has any physical power you buffoon?
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
As i said before, when you have nothing you resort to retcon, retcon retcon, fanfiction, fanfiction!Explosion is an Abstract with zero physicality therefore by canon he CONCLUSIVELY cannot be the physical energies of creation.
Eternity has no physicality too, huh?
The zero force is not stated to be the energiesof creation either and instead reads as a universal reset force thst can restart universes back to zero.
😂
Its outright stated to be the force which creates universes, troll.
And thats what youre left with buddy ZERO 😱So youre back to square one with ZERO evidence of another entity being the life giving energies of creation.
I love this 😄
Of course you love your total humiliation.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Coming from the idiot who thinks Eternity is personification of space instead of time?
I never said he was the personification of space. I said the term "Eternity isnt the physical universe" and you went off on this rant to prvide some filler for your empty case 😆
Originally posted by abhilegend
In marvel comics it is.
Nope. The Big Bang is an event. Not a special power source. Theres just one pot of energy per reality that everything shares. At the start of reality that pot is in a super compressed state and then said pot expands in whats called the Big Bang. Explosion represents that point in the timeine where everything is in a compressed state, he is NOT that physical energy in and of itself. Just the concept of it.
Originally posted by abhilegend
And it is Zero Force as per FF 25.Nope, that's zero force. You just said Phoenix doesn't creates universe.
The zero force is just a reset power, kind of like how the Ultimate Nullifier reset reality in the Abraxas story arc. It isnt the life sustaining energies of creation anymore than the UN is 😆
Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course he has physical power. All abstracts do.
Eternity taps into the ambient power of the universe. He is an Abstract he has no physicality to him 😆
Originally posted by abhilegend
"Phoenix is the big bang"You are still saying that Phoenix is the energy of the big bang. What created the universe if not the big bang? Phoenix is both the energy of the big bang but not created the universe? So how did the universe was created?
I dont get how you dont understand this.
This is what leads you to keep posting nonsense, because you dont take the time out to process things and see if the other side has a point. You just talk lol
The Phoenix Force is just sentient life force. It did not create reality, it is the fundamental life force of reality that itself is a creation.
We know that after the Celestial War that a part of the First Firmament broke off and after time developed into a sentient entity. Multi-Eternity developed its own systems and cosmology.
So who knows? The Phoenix Force could just be a system of Multi-Eternitys that developed in a similar way. We've never had an explanation.
