Originally posted by abhilegend
I never said that all phoenix hosts are equal in power. Post the quote.I'm not arguing for something I never even said.
srug
I just did quote you and it reads exactly how i said it does. Unless you have your own version of the english language that youd like to translate for the forum? 😕
New year, same old bullshit. 😆
Any more concessions before we start? 😱
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I just did quote you and it reads exactly how i said it does. Unless you have your own version of the english language that youd like to translate for the forum? 😕New year, same old bullshit. 😆
Any more concessions before we start? 😱
Originally posted by abhilegend
That doesn't explain why the actual Phoenix Force (Without any host) has actually poorer feats than the Phoenix hosts.The idea that different Phoenix hosts have different power levels is an apocryphal idea with no such indications in the recent comics in last 15 years.
Should I start posting your random posts and ask questions on it in the BZ and with your fickle nature, that's a very bad idea for you.
Originally posted by abhilegend
You posted an incomplete post.Should I start posting your random posts and ask questions on it in the BZ and with your fickle nature, that's a very bad idea for you.
I posted the relevant part. The extra bit of the quote doesnt provide some context that changes the meaning of what you said.
You straight up said that the idea that different hosts have different power levels is apocryphal and not supported in the last 15 years.
So if youre disagreeing that hosts have different power levels from each other then youre saying that they have equal power levels you imbecile. Theres no other option 😆
Please clarify which one it is as itll determine the point we debate in the battlezone. 😄
Are all Phoenix hosts equal in power or are they different in power?
TELL US! 😱 😂
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I posted the relevant part. The extra bit of the quote doesnt provide some context that changes the meaning of what you said.You straight up said that the idea that different hosts have different power levels is apocryphal and not supported in the last 15 years.
So if youre disagreeing that hosts have different power levels from each other then youre saying that they have equal power levels you imbecile. Theres no other option 😆
Please clarify which one it is as itll determine the point we debate in the battlezone. 😄
Are all Phoenix hosts equal in power or are they different in power?
TELL US! 😱 😂
I'm not going to debate on your terms. This is your original post.
Originally posted by GalacticStormThe Phoenix Force however is a far more temperamental beast to tame and what you can get out of it depends on the users skill level.
I'm going to prove some imaginary "skill" of the host is not the criteria of how powerful the host is and the idea is apocryphal since last 15 years.
Take it or leave it.
Originally posted by abhilegend
😂I'm not going to debate on your terms. This is your original post.
I'm going to prove some imaginary "skill" of the host is not the criteria of how powerful the host is and the idea is apocryphal since last 15 years.
Take it or leave it.
Bro. You are a complete farce.
I stated that Phoenix hosts have different power levels.
You said the idea that Phoenix hosts have different power levels is apocryphal and not canon for 15 years.
I then listed numerous factors that determined differing power between hosts such as how much force they hosted, their mindset, whether they were complying with the Phoenixes agenda and any pre-existing powers/skills they had.
I stomped you on proving all of those factors.
"Pre-existing powers/skills" is just the one you feel you wont be completely embarassed about so youre just trying to bring the whole discussion down to that fear
So again i ask do you believe all Phoenix hosts are equal in power or are they different? If youre conceding on that point then we only have 3 points of discussion for the battlezone 😄
New direction. Didn't Thanos with the IG resist nullification? Just wondering because, Doctor Doom destroyed an entire universe using the Ultimate Nullifier recently. So if the Infinity Gauntlet within it's native reality, or universe (I prefer reality) can easily resist a force capable of destroying an entire universe, wouldn't that mean that the Infinity Gauntlet was more powerful than a universal force? I'm thinking that it is. Just try to step away from the idea that it can only work within it's native reality or universe, and you'll understand why it should be able to contend with multiversal forces within it's native reality or universe. I think that many people are confused as to how powerful the IG actually is.
Originally posted by Stoic
New direction. Didn't Thanos with the IG resist nullification? Just wondering because, Doctor Doom destroyed an entire universe using the Ultimate Nullifier recently. So if the Infinity Gauntlet within it's native reality, or universe (I prefer reality) can easily resist a force capable of destroying an entire universe, wouldn't that mean that the Infinity Gauntlet was more powerful than a universal force? I'm thinking that it is. Just try to step away from the idea that it can only work within it's native reality or universe, and you'll understand why it should be able to contend with multiversal forces within it's native reality or universe. I think that many people are confused as to how powerful the IG actually is.
Not quite following the logic there if im being honest bro.
As we've seen on panel the nullifier targets whatever the user mentally directs it at and outputs the necessary power to nullify said target. It doesnt unleash a universal destroying beam with every use.
Quasar mentally directed a beam to target just Magus, Magus was then able to re-direct this attack to instead effect Quasar.
There are a few takeaways from this:
1) It wasnt a universal destroying beam, just one targeted at Magus
2) Its open to interpretation whether Magus manipulated the UN energy directly itself or instead if Magus simply tampered with the device which would be far less impressive (one of the canon possible outcomes from use of the UN is after all that the user is also nullified so its possible that Magus simply made the device cut out step 1 and jump to 2)
So its not the great feat you think it is given the energy involved and the inconclusive nature of Magus' re-direction.
Under the right circumstances Hawkeye with a basic bow and arrow could take out the likes of Storm and Magneto who both have powers that can cause destruction on a global scale.
Would that then make Hawkeye a global level threat? NO. It just means he was able to take advantage of an opportunity and catch these far more powerful beings.
We cant use ABC logic in debates. A beat B and B has beat C in the past which means A is greater than C lol. It doesnt work like that. Context is everything.
Re: Who is more powerful than the 616 Infinity Gauntlet?
Originally posted by wxyz
Off the top of my head:List is not in any particular order.
1. Living Tribunal
2. Scathan
3. Protege
4. Beyonder
5. Molecule Man
6. God Doom
7. Akhenaten with HOTI
8. Thanos with HOTI
9. Thanos with RegulatorMaybe 616 Jaspers, Marquis of Death.
Any others?
Dracula, Kluh and the worm that took out Sentry.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Bro. You are a complete farce.I stated that Phoenix hosts have different power levels.
You said that it was due to skill.
You said the idea that Phoenix hosts have different power levels is apocryphal and not canon for 15 years.I then listed numerous factors that determined differing power between hosts such as how much force they hosted, their mindset, whether they were complying with the Phoenixes agenda and any pre-existing powers/skills they had.
Numerous factors are not shown in the comics. Phoenix Force is the same in all hosts.
Its the "willing" to merge which is the deciding factor, not some arbitrary skill.
I stomped you on proving all of those factors.
LMAO.
"Pre-existing powers/skills" is just the one you feel you wont be completely embarassed about so youre just trying to bring the whole discussion down to that fear
Haha, why don't you save this bravado for the actual BZ?
So again i ask do you believe all Phoenix hosts are equal in power or are they different? If youre conceding on that point then we only have 3 points of discussion for the battlezone 😄
I said I will prove your arbitrary criteria of "skill" determining the power of phoenix hosts wrong.
Concession is your thing troll.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Under the right circumstances Hawkeye with a basic bow and arrow could take out the likes of Storm and Magneto who both have powers that can cause destruction on a global scale.Would that then make Hawkeye a global level threat? NO. It just means he was able to take advantage of an opportunity and catch these far more powerful beings.
We cant use ABC logic in debates. A beat B and B has beat C in the past which means A is greater than C lol. It doesnt work like that. Context is everything.
IG is not hawkeye to UN's magneto.
Magus turned the energies of UN with an incomplete IG.
This is the post of mine that triggered the discussion and it is found on page 4:
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The mistake many people make is that they don't put things into perspective and consider context and comparative nature.The IG is a tool. The Phoenix Force is a sentient entity with its own agenda.
To simplify things, lets equate a potential user of either to a learner driver.
The IG would be an automatic Ford family car. The Phoenix Force would be a manual sports car.The IG is easier to control and gives easy access to its full suite of features from the get go for just about all users. Leading to dramatically less variance between user showings.
The Phoenix Force however is a far more temperamental beast to tame and what you can get out of it depends on the users skill level.
Because of this you will always get consistently high showings with the IG.
With the Phoenix however it depends on the host, were they already an adept energy wielder or telepath, are they emotionally stable, is what they're trying to do aligned with the Phoenix Forces agenda (if not then the Force will simply turn on you and limit what you can do as seen in Uncanny X-Force when Jean attacked Death/Archangel)
However if you have a competent user, who has the necessary willpower/emotional stability and they're carrying out the Forces agenda then the feats such hosts have achieved have been beyond the best showings of the IG by a considerable margin and that's not debatable.
A manual car is tougher to master, but gives finer control and enables you to eke out performance that you never could from an automatic.
You replied with this:
Originally posted by abhilegend
That doesn't explain why the actual Phoenix Force (Without any host) has actually poorer feats than the Phoenix hosts.The idea that different Phoenix hosts have different power levels is an apocryphal idea with no such indications in the recent comics in last 15 years.
So given that the debate on my side and your side was over multiple factors then why would you now try and narrow it down to us only discussing one of those factors I highlighted in the battlezone when we were debating about all factors which could cause differentiation? 😖hifty:
I’ll tell you why fear
You realise that I absolutely whupped you back and forth over that discussion point and you believe the only way you can avoid looking like a complete imbecile is by narrowing things down to one factor where you feel you made the strongest case for yourself
POO-SAY fear 😆
Originally posted by abhilegend
You said that it was due to skill.Numerous factors are not shown in the comics. Phoenix Force is the same in all hosts.
Its the "willing" to merge which is the deciding factor, not some arbitrary skill.
LMAO.
Haha, why don't you save this bravado for the actual BZ?
I said I will prove your arbitrary criteria of "skill" determining the power of phoenix hosts wrong.
Concession is your thing troll.
Lovely 😄 so now you have that scan do you feel empowered to debate the point that we were actually debating yh?
I.e whether all Phoenix hosts are different in power level or equal?
Or are you still gripped with fear? fear
Originally posted by abhilegend
😂IG is not hawkeye to UN's magneto.
Magus turned the energies of UN with an incomplete IG.
He did.
However
1) Quasar was only targeting Magus, not the universe entire
2) It remains inconclusive whether Magus re-directed the energies via tackling the energies themselves, or through manipulation of the device which wouldnt be impressive.
3) Even if it was through direct manipulation of the energies themselves it still wouldnt be impressive due to point 1
Stoic provided you with a lifeline, you have nothing going for yourself, jumped at the opportunity and i just f*cked your sh*t up 😆
You will deal!! 😱
Bring on the battlezone 😮💨
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Lovely 😄 so now you have that scan do you feel empowered to debate the point that we were actually debating yh?I.e whether all Phoenix hosts are different in power level or equal?
Or are you still gripped with fear? fear
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
He did.However
1) Quasar was only targeting Magus, not the universe entire
There is no requirement of targeting the universe to use its full power.
2) It remains inconclusive whether Magus re-directed the energies via tackling the energies themselves, or through manipulation of the device which wouldnt be impressive.
3) Even if it was through direct manipulation of the energies themselves it still wouldnt be impressive due to point 1
😂
I outright showed that IG redirected the energy, not manipulated UN (which is outright fanfiction as UN has never been manipulated).
Stoic provided you with a lifeline, you have nothing going for yourself, jumped at the opportunity and i just f*cked your sh*t up 😆
What an idiot.
You will deal!! 😱Bring on the battlezone 😮💨
Still laughing like a baboon I see.