Zod isn't beating Stormbreaker Thor. Him and Clark have zero fighting skills to speak of.
And Clark showed zero reaction feats as of bvs to say he was anywhere close to JL levels.
I cope just fine. If this was JL superman I have zero problem admitting he would solo Thor, WW and a handful of Avengers as well.
Yall do know its ok for Clark to lose every once in awhile. Yall are so obsessed with him always winning and being the best at everything its a little creepy
I think after JL, it's safe to say that Superman is comfortably faster than both Thor and WW.
Not sure about Zod or Doomsday. Outside of the occasional bullrush, I don't recall them displaying too much superspeed. It's questionable whether they can maintain that kind of speed when executing complicated maneuvers.
One thing I'd like to point out though is that energy attacks seem to have some degree of effectiveness on Superman (and by extension, Zod).
He was knocked down and clearly hurt by the blast from Zod's ship. He was staggered back and hurt by Cyborg's blast. He had to block and brace himself against Doomsday's AOE's.
Granted, none of them left lasting damage, but all of them still caused him to lose a step or two. He wasn't just able to ignore and walk through them.
Which brings us to Thor's lightning attacks and those AOE's that WW can do with her bracelets. Especially if Thor cloaks himself with lightning the way he did in Ragnarok.
I don't think their energy attacks are enough to kill either Superman or Zod, but they should be enough to stagger them and stop them from moving continuously in super speed, enough that Thor and WW can eventually start landing hits with either axe or sword.
And while Zod and Superman are pretty strong, Thor and WW are tough enough that they should be able to take a number of hits before going down. On the other hand, a single hit from Diana's sword or Stormbreaker should be enough to severely injure any of the kryptonians.
It's a tough fight, but I do think Thor and Diana have a better chance at coming out of that fight alive than the kryptonians. In the end, the Kryptonians are pure brawlers who don't have as much skill or tactical options as Thor and WW.
Originally posted by Silent Master
This isn't JL Superman though, the thread starter said it's the Superman that fought Doomsday. IOW, BvS Superman.
Then we have two options:
1. We assume that Superman got an upgrade after being resurrected, which means this Superman is weaker and slower than JL Superman, or
2. We assume that Superman's powers have always been constant across the multiple movies, in which case he's still susceptible to being KO'd by a falling oil rig.
Either way, Thor and WW still have good chance of clearing.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Imp didn't let us assume Cap's abilities remained the same in the old "Captain America, the first Avenger" thread. he stated since a specific version was named, we could only use feats from that movie.
Ok, good to know. That means this Superman is limited to superspeed bullrushes.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Ok, using only BvS and earlier movies, prove that Superman is faster.
So if Thor has greater strength feats in a latter movie without any external or plot written upgrades then does that mean he was weaker in the earlier movie by writer's intent or just fiction inconsistency?
Originally posted by FrothByte
Then we have two options:1. We assume that Superman got an upgrade after being resurrected, which means this Superman is weaker and slower than JL Superman, or
2. We assume that Superman's powers have always been constant across the multiple movies, in which case he's still susceptible to being KO'd by a falling oil rig.
Either way, Thor and WW still have good chance of clearing.
Or 3. Assume fiction inconsistency. The thing where characters and objects have contradictory high and low showings.
Originally posted by h1a8
So if Thor has greater strength feats in a latter movie without any external or plot written upgrades then does that mean he was weaker in the earlier movie by writer's intent or just fiction inconsistency?
Mod ruling, if a specific version of a character is mentioned, then only feats from that version can be used.
Originally posted by Silent MasterThere is no specific version of Superman mentioned in the OP. And per you, threads can't be edited or changed a day after it was created.
Imp didn't let us assume Cap's abilities remained the same in the old "Captain America, the first Avenger" thread. he stated since a specific version was named, we could only use feats from that movie.
Originally posted by FrothByte
I think after JL, it's safe to say that Superman is comfortably faster than both Thor and WW.Not sure about Zod or Doomsday. Outside of the occasional bullrush, I don't recall them displaying too much superspeed. It's questionable whether they can maintain that kind of speed when executing complicated maneuvers.
One thing I'd like to point out though is that energy attacks seem to have some degree of effectiveness on Superman (and by extension, Zod).
He was knocked down and clearly hurt by the blast from Zod's ship. He was staggered back and hurt by Cyborg's blast. He had to block and brace himself against Doomsday's AOE's.
Granted, none of them left lasting damage, but all of them still caused him to lose a step or two. He wasn't just able to ignore and walk through them.
Which brings us to Thor's lightning attacks and those AOE's that WW can do with her bracelets. Especially if Thor cloaks himself with lightning the way he did in Ragnarok.
I don't think their energy attacks are enough to kill either Superman or Zod, but they should be enough to stagger them and stop them from moving continuously in super speed, enough that Thor and WW can eventually start landing hits with either axe or sword.
And while Zod and Superman are pretty strong, Thor and WW are tough enough that they should be able to take a number of hits before going down. On the other hand, a single hit from Diana's sword or Stormbreaker should be enough to severely injure any of the kryptonians.
It's a tough fight, but I do think Thor and Diana have a better chance at coming out of that fight alive than the kryptonians. In the end, the Kryptonians are pure brawlers who don't have as much skill or tactical options as Thor and WW.
Your are forgetting that both would be statues to Superman. So all that other stuff is irrelevant (although I disagree that the cloak lightning would even bother Superman).
Originally posted by h1a8
There is no specific version of Superman mentioned in the OP. And per you, threads can't be edited or changed a day after it was created.Your are forgetting that both would be statues to Superman. So all that other stuff is irrelevant (although I disagree that the cloak lightning would even bother Superman).
Doesn’t matter how fast Superman is moving, he still needs to enter Thor's lightning cloak in order to hit him. And if Cyborg's blast can stagger Superman, you can bet he isn't just walking through Thor's lightning cloak. At the very least it should also stagger him.
Also, it should be noted that Superman wasn't moving faster than the electricity/lightning surrounding Flash when they fought in slow-mo.